SUMMARY of UNSCRIPTED by A Morris BRK AGM Q&A
UNSCRIPTED BUFFETT & MUNGER AGM COMMENTARIES
(Italics where
I think it is particularly interesting)
VALUE
INVESTING
And if
you know the difference between the businesses that you can value and the ones
you can't, you're going to make money.
We basically
look for companies where we think we could understand what the future will look
like in 5, 10 or 15 years. That doesn’t mean we calculate it to four decimal
places—but we need to have a feel for it, and we know our limitations.
If you are
looking for the ability to correctly value all investments at all times, we can't
help you.
Over time, I've
learned more about various businesses, but you would be amazed at how many
businesses I don’t feel that I understand well.
You don’t
have to be an expert on 90% of businesses, or 80%, 70% or even 50%. But you do
have to know something about the ones that you actually put your money into—and
if that’s a very small part of the universe, that is still not a killer.
We probably
leaned towards things where we felt we were certain to get a decent result, as
opposed to where we were hopeful of getting a brilliant result.
Knowing what
you don’t know is important; knowing the future is impossible in many cases,
and difficult in others. We're looking for the ones that are relatively easy.
Then you have to find it at a price that is interesting to you.
They are
risking something important for something that isn’t important.
What gives
you opportunities is other people doing dumb things.
The world
is overwhelmingly short-term focused.
The other
thing that is helpful in reverse is to look at what other smart people are
buying.
The ideal
business is one that earns very high rates of return on capital and can keep
using lots of capital at those high returns.
Most great
businesses generate a lot of money, but they do not generate lots of
opportunities to earn high returns on incremental capital.
You have got
to learn what you do know and what you don’t know. Within the area of what you
know, you have to purchase it very vigorously and act when you find it. You can't
look around for people to agree with you. You can't look around for people to
even know what you are talking about. You have to think for yourself. And if
you do, you will find things.
Listening to
lots of people telling you things is just a waste of time. You're better off
sitting and thinking.
There's a
lot to be said for developing a temperament that can own securities without
fretting. The fretful disposition is an enemy of long-term performance.
Investing
is not a business that requires extraordinary intellect. It does require
extraordinary discipline.
We have seen
a few periods of great opportunities that scream at us, and we've seen a few
periods of overvaluation that scream at us. And then 90% of the time were
somewhere in between.
I think I
developed more courage after I learned I could handle hardship.
If we lose
confidence in management or in the durability of the competitive advantage, or
if we recognise that we made a mistake, we sell.
The real
money is going to be made in the growing businesses, and that’s where the focus
should be.
In other
words, if we don’t think we know what's going to happen in the future, that
doesn’t mean it's necessarily risky; it just means we don’t know. It means it's
risky for us. It might not be risky for someone else who understands the
business. In that case, we just give up. We don’t try to predict those things.
But we think
it is also nonsense to get into situations, or try and evaluate situations, where
we don’t have any convictions as to what the future is going to look like.
The business
was fundamentally very non-volatile in nature—TV stations and a strong,
dominant newspaper, that's a non-volatile business –but it was a volatile
stock. That is a great combination from our standpoint.
I would say
that the best purchases are usually made when you have to sell something to
raise the money to get them, because it just raises the bar a little bit that
you jump over in the mental process.
Virtually
everything we have done has been reading public reports, and then maybe asking questions
to ascertain trade positions or product strengths or something of that sort.
If I were
teaching a course on investments, there would be one valuation study after
another, with the students trying to identify the key variables in that
particular business, and evaluating how predictable they were, because that is
the first step. If something is not predictable, forget it. You don’t have to
be right about every company. You have to make a few good decisions in your
lifetime. The important thing is to know when you find one where you really do
know which variables are important, and you think you have got a fix on them.
A really
wonderful business is very well protected against the vicissitudes of the
economy over time and competition. We're talking about businesses that are
resistant to effective competition.
Good ideas
are too scarce to be parsimonious with once you find them.
If you own a
lousy business, you have to sell it at some point. If you own a group of businesses,
you'd better hope some of them get taken over or something happens. You need
turnover. If you own a wonderful business, you don’t want turnover, basically.
To some
degree, it probably takes more business experience and insights to apply Fisher's
than Graham’s.
I like a
lot of historical background on things, just to get into my head how the
business has evolved over time, and what's been permanent and what hasn’t been
permanent, and all of that.
The growth
aspects overall of a market are not a big factor with us; it's really a
question of figuring out who's going to win what game and who is going to lose
what game.
Once we find
a group of equities in that range (over 10% pa compound), we just buy the most
attractive. That usually means the ones we feel surest about as a practical
matter. There are some businesses that possess economic characteristics that make
their future prospects far more predictable than others…. We have, over time,
become very partial to the businesses where we think the predictability is high.
I can't be
an intelligent owner of a business unless I know what all the other businesses
in that industry are doing. So, I try to get that information out of a report.
….I want to be able to intelligently evaluate how our managers are doing, and I
can't do that unless I know the industry backdrop against which they're
working.
The way
you learn about business is by absorbing information about it, thinking,
deciding what counts and what doesn’t count, and relating one thing to another.
That’s the job. …that’s where it begins and ends.
We've had
our share of flu epidemics (severe market drawdowns), but you don’t want to
spend your life waiting around for them (to buy).
We tend to
go into businesses that are inherently low risk, and are capitalised in a way
such that the low risk of the business is transformed into a low risk for the
enterprise. The risk beyond that is when you pay too much for them; that is
usually a risk of time, not loss of principal, unless you get into a really
extravagant situation. Then the risk becomes the risk of you, yourself, whether
you can retain your belief in the real fundamentals of the business and not get
too concerned about the stock market.
What costs
us money is when we do not properly assess the fundamental economic
characteristics of the business.
If you
understood the future of the business perfectly, you would need very little in
the way of a margin of safety.
The biggest
thing to do is to understand the business and to get into the kind of business where,
by their nature, surprises are few.
I think that
most people get very few, what I call, no-brainer opportunities, where it is so
damn obvious that the investment is going to work. And since there are very few
and they may be separated by periods of years, I think people have to have the
courage and the intelligence to step up in a major way when those opportunities
come by.
If a
business gets to the point where we think the industry in which it operates, or
its competitive position or anything, is so chancy that we can't come up with a
figure, we don’t try to compensate for that by having some extra margin of
safety.
What we
really want to do is buy great businesses, which means it's going to earn a
high rate of return on capital employed for a long period of time, and where we
think the management will treat us right.
The big
thing you want, at a minimum, is to protect yourself against that insanity in
market prices and volatility wiping you out. (margin loans)
Where you
really want to be is in businesses that are going to be good and better
businesses ten years from now. And we want to buy them at reasonable prices.
Time is
the enemy of the poor business, and it is the friend of the great business.
If you want
a system to determine what is a good business and what is a bad business, just
see which one is throwing the management easy decisions time after time after
time.
But as you're
acquiring knowledge about industries in general and companies specifically,
there isn’t anything like first doing some reading about them, and then getting
out and talking to competitors, customers, suppliers, ex-employees, whatever it
may be. You will learn a lot. But that should be the last 10-20%.
We
believe in post-mortems at Berkshire---And I think you're a better manager or
investor if you look at every one of the decisions you’ve made, of importance,
and see which ones worked out and which ones didn’t, and what is your batting
average.
Some companies
are easy to write stories about, and others are much tougher to write stories
about. We try and look for the easy ones.
When we
speak of errors of omission, of which we've had plenty and some very big ones,
we don’t mean not buying some stock where a friend runs it or we know the name
and it went from one to a hundred. That doesn't mean anything. We only regard
errors as being things that are within our circle of competence… what's an error
is when it's something we understand, and we stand there and stare at it, and
we don’t do anything.
We would be
happy if we could buy common stocks where our expectations over a long period,
from a combination of dividends and capital gains, were going to be 10% pa, pre-tax,
and we would probably settle for a little less than that.
VALUATION
AND INTRINSIC VALUE
And if we
don’t have the faintest idea what the future stream (of cash flow) is going to
look like, we don’t have the faintest idea what it is worth….And we are more
concerned with the certainty of those numbers than we are with getting the one
that looks absolutely the cheapest, but based upon numbers we don’t have great
confidence in….To figure out that answer, you have to understand something
about the business…and if you attempt to assess intrinsic value, it all relates
to cash flows.
So people
who have a lot of (investment) opportunities tend to make better investments
than people who don’t.
But I don’t
look at the primary message of Graham as anything to do with formulas. There
are three important aspects to it. One is your attitude to the stock market. (Chapter
8 Intelligent Investor-Mr Market)…The second principle is the margin of safety,
which again, gives you an enormous edge and actually has applicability far
beyond the investment world. and the third is looking at stocks as businesses.
So, it would
not bother us in the least to buy into a business that was currently losing
money for some reason that we understood, and where we thought that the future
was going to be significantly different.
A business
with something glorious underneath, disguised by terrible numbers that cause
cutoff points in other people's minds, is ideal for us, if we can figure it
out.
We do not
want to go below a certain threshold of understanding.
If you’re
right about the companies, you can hold them at pretty high values.
Generally
speaking, I think if you’re sure enough about a business being wonderful, it's
more important to be certain about the business being a wonderful business than
it is to be certain that the price is 5% or 10% too high. I originally was incredibly price-conscious.
We used to have prayer meetings before we would raise our bid one eighth. But
that was a mistake. And in some cases, a huge mistake; we’ve missed things
because of that.
Ben Graham
used to say you can get in more trouble in investments with a good premise than
with a bad premise, because the bad premise will shout out to you immediately
as being fallacious, whereas a good premise will work for a while.
The best
thing to do is buy a stock that you don’t ever want to sell.
CAPITAL
ALLOCATION
We would
love to buy BRK at 120% of book, because we know it's worth a lot more than
that.
When you
have a wonderful business, we favour using funds that are generated out of that
business to make the business even more wonderful. And we favour repurchasing shares
if they are below intrinsic value.
MANAGEMENT
and BOARD of DIRECTORS
I think you
judge management by two yardsticks. One is how well they run the business. you
can learn a lot about that by reading about what they’ve accomplished and what
their competitors have accomplished, and seeing how they have allocated capital
over time.
The second
thing is you want to figure out how well they treat their owners.
We basically
have the attitude that you can't make a good deal with a bad person, so we just
forget about it. We don't try and protect ourselves with contracts or get into
all kinds of due diligence.
There's
nothing wrong with incentive systems, but you’ve got to be very careful what
you incentivise.
People say
they want their management to think like shareholders. It's very easy to think
like a shareholder when you are one; you'll think exactly like a shareholder. It's
not a huge psychological hurdle to get over if you actually write a check to
buy the stock.
What really
bothers me is when companies pay a lot for mediocrity, and that happens all too
often. We have no quarrel in our subsidiaries, for example, paying a lot of
money for outstanding performance.
The minute
the business starts requiring capital, we tend to put a capital factor into
this compensation system….(Managers) do not have control over market prices. We
would have something that would tie to what we thought was under the control of
the individual managing the business.
There are
more problems with having the wrong manager than with having the wrong
compensation system. It is enormously important who runs (our companies); any
compensation sins are generally of minor importance compared to the sin of
having somebody that’s mediocre running a huge company.
There are
two things: the quality of the business and the quality of the management. If
the business is good enough, it will carry a lousy manager.
In terms of the
overall level of compensation, the real sin is having a mediocre manager; that
is what costs owners very significant amounts of money over time. If a mediocre
manager is paid a relatively small sum, it's still a great mistake—and if
they're paid huge sums, it’s a travesty. It's almost impossible to pay the
outstanding manager a sum that’s disproportionate to their value when you get a
large enterprise.
The history
Charlie and I have had of persuading decent, intelligent people, who we thought
were doing unintelligent things, to change their course of action has been
poor.
If you
really think you’re in with people who have a good business, but they’re going
to keep doing dumb things with your money, you'll probably do better to get
out.
When people
want to do something, they want to do something. And they didn’t rise to become
the CEO of a company to have some shareholder tell them that they’re idea is
dumb. That is just not the type that gets to the top…..I would say it's better
to be in with a management you're in simpatico with, than to be in a great
business with a management that’s bent on doing things that don’t make much
sense to you.
The one
reason you can't give for any action at Berkshire, as far as I’m concerned, is
that everybody else is doing it. If that’s the best you can come up with, something’s
wrong. But that happens in security markets all the time. It's very difficult
to tell a huge organisation that you shouldn’t be doing something that
well-regarded competitors are doing, particularly when there's a lot of money in
it.
The real job
of the board of directors is to come up with the right CEO and to prevent him
or her from overreaching.
I think the
other thing that the board should do is really bring some independent judgment
in on major acquisitions.
I think
culture has to come from the top. It has to be consistent, it has to be part of
written communications, it has to be lived, and it has to be rewarded when
followed and punished when not. And then it takes a very, very long time to
really become solid.
BERKSHIRE
HATHAWAY
We've
done a lot of that, scrambling out of wrong decisions. I’d argue that’s a big
part of having a reasonable record in life. You can't avoid making wrong decisions.
But if you recognise them promptly and do something about them, you can frequently
turn the lemon into lemonade.
The ordinary
result when a big publicly held corporation buys another corporation is that,
maybe two-thirds of the time, it’s a terrible deal for the buying corporation,
and yet people have taken an enormous time doing it. We've bought all these
businesses, taking practically no time doing it, and on average, they’ve worked
out wonderfully. Why is that? The answer is we wait for the no-brainers. We are
not trying to do the difficult things, and we have the patience to wait.
It isn’t
that complicated if you wait for the fat pitch. And the fat pitch doesn’t have
to be somebody else doing something dumb or anything like that.
Warren has
improved since he passed the retirement age. In other words, in this field, at
least, you can improve when you’re old….you get an enormous advantage from practice
in this field…
The ideal
business is one that takes no capital but yet grows; there are a few businesses
like that, and we own some.
I don’t want
to be with people who are asking how I did versus the S&P 500 last month. I
sold securities for three years, and I just didn’t want to be in that position
where, essentially, they thought maybe I could do things that I couldn’t do.
Probably the
best investment was getting Charlie as a partner.
The biggest judgment
you have to make is how well capital will be deployed in the future.
Owning a
group of good businesses is not a terrible business plan.
I think our
business plan makes nothing but great sense: to own a group of great
businesses. Diversified, with outstanding managers, and conservatively
capitalised.
In economics,
whenever somebody tells you something, the first question to ask yourself is,
“And then what?”
One thing to
remember: in the end, the owners of businesses, in aggregate, cannot come out
any better than the businesses come out.
(So we give managers)
The consistent message is that not only should they behave in a way that conforms
with the laws, but they should behave in a way where, if a story were written
by an unfriendly but intelligent reporter and published the next morning in
their local paper, they would have no problem with their neighbours and family
reading it.
M&A—oftentimes
they're ignoring, in our view, what really counts, which is evaluating the people
they're getting in with and evaluating the economics of the business. that’s
99% of the deal.
It's
almost impossible to make a wonderful buy in a negotiated purchase. You will
never make the kind of buy in a negotiated purchase that you can in a weak
stock market.
The
record of BRK, to the extent it's been good, has not been because we've done
brilliant things, but because we've done fewer dumb things than most.
But I
predict that the day that BRK declares a dividend, the stock price will go
down----and it should go down, because it’s an admission, essentially, that a compounding
machine has lost its ability to continue on that course.
Every time I
look at a business, I look at the ease of entry. (by competitors)….And in terms
of people trying to break into what isn’t a huge market, I decided that there
was a pretty good-sized moat around it…. you've got very small markets that
aren’t really too attractive to anybody with any sense to enter, and fanaticism
in service.
INSURANCE
BUSINESS
When you are
selling insurance against very infrequent events, you can totally misprice them
but not know about it for a very long time.
The thing to
remember is that the earthquake does not know the premium you received.
You don’t
find out who has been swimming naked until the tide goes out.
Just like we
buy securities, to the extent that we have the cash available, if they make
sense, but we have no interest in being in the stock market just to be in it. We
want to own securities that make sense to us.
Then we
have a huge attitudinal advantage in that we have no need—none—to write more
business, the same amount of business, or even something close to the amount of
business that we wrote this year. There are no insurance volume goals at BRK at
all. That is not true at most insurance organisations.
It’s the
cost of the float and the amount of growth of the float.
The casualty
insurance business, by its nature, is not a terribly good business. You have to
be in the top 10% really, to do well in it.
ACCOUNTING
When the
accounting confuses you, I tend to forget about that company. It may well be intentional;
in any event, you don’t want to go near it. We have never had any great investment
results from companies whose accounting we regard as suspect. It’s a very bad
sign.
Accounting
can offer you a lot of insight into the character of the management.
When you
don’t have a product where revenues and expenses are being matched up on something
close to cash in the short term, you have the opportunity for people to play
games with numbers.
You should
not have a system that causes people to, for example, worry about quarterly
earnings. I have no idea what we are going to earn next quarter.
Businesses
do not meet expectations quarter after quarter and year after year. It just
isn’t in the nature of running businesses. And, in our view, people who predict
precisely what the future will be are either kidding investors, themselves, or
both.
In terms of
what the management is doing and what the underlying economics are, forget
about goodwill. In terms of evaluating the job we're doing in allocating
capital, you have to include goodwill, because we paid for it.
I don’t
think amortisation of goodwill makes sense. I think write-offs of goodwill make
sense when you find out you’ve made the wrong purchase and the business doesn’t
earn commensurate with the tangible assets employed plus the goodwill. But when
looking at businesses as to whether they are good, mediocre or poor businesses,
you should look at the return on net tangible assets.
CIRCLE OF
COMPETENCE
It's better
to be well within the circle than to be trying to tiptoe along the line. And
you will find plenty of things within the circle. It's not terrible to have a
small circle of competence…You stretch the boundaries by working at it,
including practice.
I think a
great strategy, for the great mass of humanity, is to specialise.
I'm no
genius, I'm smart in spots, and I stay around those spots.
We don’t think
we have a great ability to predict where change is going to lead. We think we
have some ability to find businesses where we don’t think change is going to be
very important.
On Wall st,
if someone tells you the business is going to change a lot, they see it as a
great opportunity. We don’t think it’s a great opportunity at all: it scares
the hell out of us because we don’t know how things are going to change.
So, we will
do our best to enlarge the circle of competence of the people at BRK so that we
don’t miss so many. But we will miss a lot in the future, like we have missed a
lot in the past. The main thing to do is to find things where our batting
average is going to be high. And if we miss the biggest ones, that really
doesn’t bother us, as long as the things we do work out ok.
It is a
tricky thing working out whether technological change will or will not destroy
some business.
We're
looking for the absence of change to protect ways that are already making a lot
of money and allow them to make even more in the future. So we look at change
as a threat.
But there’s
a whole group of companies, a very large group, that Charlie and I don’t know
how to value, and that doesn’t bother us. There are all kinds of financial instruments that we just
don’t feel we have the knowledge to evaluate. And it might be a little too much
to expect that somebody would understand every business in the world. When I
say understand, my idea of understanding a business is that you’ve got a pretty
good idea where it's going to be in ten years. I just can't get that
conviction with a lot of businesses, whereas I can get it with relatively few,
but I only need a few. You only need six or eight calls, something like
that.
It may also be
that, even though it's less predictable, there's a whole lot more money to be made,
so that if you're right, the payoff is much larger. But we are perfectly
willing to trade away a big payoff for a certain payoff…..different people
understand different businesses. The important thing is to know which ones you
do understand and when you're operating within your circle of competence.
But the
degree of disparity in results among larger tech companies in the future is likely
to be very, very dramatic. And if I had the skills to pick the winners there, I
would do a lot better than if I had the skills to pick the winners in the major
integrated oil field.
We are looking
for……durability of competitive advantage, and whether our opinion might be
better than other people's opinions in assessing the probability of that advantage.
The problem
is, if I think something requires a miracle, I tend not to bet on it.
This is
not like Olympic diving, where they have a degree of difficulty factor, where
you can do some very difficult dive, the payoff is greater than some very
simple dive. That’s not
true in investments. You get paid just as well for the simplest dive, as long
as you execute it right…We look for one-foot bars to step over rather than seven-foot
or eight-foot bars to try and set some record by jumping over. You get paid just
as well for the one-foot bars.
We try
and figure out why that castle is still standing, and what's going to keep it
standing or cause it not to be standing five, ten, twenty years from now? What are
the key factors? How permanent are they? How much do they depend on the genius of the lord in the
castle?
Charlie and I
try to distinguish between businesses where you have to be smart once and
businesses where you have to stay smart.
What really
tells you something is if you know how to figure out how wide the moat is and whether
it's likely to widen further or shrink on you over time.
We are
enormously risk-averse. We are not risk-averse in terms of losing $1 billion if
there is an earthquake in California today. That doesn’t bother us as long as
the maths is in our favour. But in terms of doing a group of transactions like
that, we are very risk-averse. In other words, we want to think that we've got
a mathematical edge in every transaction. And we will do enough transactions over
a lifetime so that, no matter what the result of any single one, the group expectancy
gets almost to certainty.
When we look
at businesses, we try to think of what can go wrong with them. We look for
businesses that are good businesses now, and we think about what can go wrong
with them. If we can think of a lot that can go wrong, we just forget it. We are
not in the business of assuming a lot of risk in businesses. That doesn’t mean
we don’t do it inadvertently and make mistakes, because we do. But we do not
do it intentionally, willingly, or voluntarily go into situations where we perceive
a really significant risk that the business is going to change in a major way.
So you don’t
necessarily want to equate the prospects for growth of an industry with the
prospects for growth in your net worth by participating in it.
MR MARKET
And your job
is to remember that (Mr Market) is there to serve you, not to advise you.
The important
thing is that you make your decision based on what you think the business is
worth.
You shouldn’t
buy stocks unless you expect, in my view, to hold them for a very extended
period, and you are prepared financially and psychologically to hold them the same
way you would hold a farm and never look at the quote—you don’t need to pay
attention to it.
And frankly,
some people are more subject to fear than others.
You should
do something you understand yourself. If you don't understand it yourself, you're
going to be affected by the next person you talk to. You should be in a position
to hold.
The market
is generally fairly efficient. It's fairly efficient in pricing between asset
classes, and it's fairly efficient in terms of evaluating specific businesses.
ECONOMICS
AND INVESTING
If we’re
right about a business, and we think it's attractive, it would be very foolish
for us not to take action because we thought something about what the market
was about to do or anything of that sort. Because we just don’t know. And to
give up something that you do know and is profitable for something that you don’t
know and won't know, it just doesn’t make any sense to us.
If you are
in the right business, you'll end up doing fine. We don’t think about when something
will happen; we think about what will happen. its not so difficult to figure
out what will happen. It's impossible, in our view, to figure out when it will
happen. So we focus on what will happen.
2008-I did not
predict what stocks were going to do in the short term, because I never know
what they're going to do. But I do know when you're starting to get a lot for
your money, and that’s when I believe in buying.
No, we don’t
try to pick bottoms. We don’t have an opinion about where the stock markets are
going to go tomorrow, next week, or next month.
It's very
hard for an unproductive investment to beat a productive investment over any
long period of time.
We are just
looking for decent businesses. We try to think about two things: things that
are important and things that are knowable. There are things that are knowable
but not important. We don’t want to clutter up our minds with those. So, we
say, “What is important and what is knowable?
We’re not
predicting the currents that will come, just how things will swim in the
currents, whatever they are.
If we are
right about the business, the macro factors are not going to make any
difference. And if we are wrong about the business, macro factors aren’t going
to bail us out.
We always
try and focus on what's knowable and what's important. Currency might be important,
but we don’t think it's knowable. Other things are unimportant, but knowable. What's
knowable and important about KO…the product is extraordinarily inexpensive relative
to the pleasure it brings to people.
All investments
are laying out some money now to get more money back in the future. There are
two ways of getting the money back: one is from what the asset itself will
produce. That’s investment. One is from what somebody else will pay you for it
later on, irrespective of what the asset produces, and I call that speculation.
Regarding inflation,
in the investment world, it's tougher. Charlie and I think the best answer is
to own fine businesses that will be able to price in inflationary terms and
will not require huge amounts of capital investment to handle the larger
dollars of sales.
The worst
kind of business is one that makes you put more money on the table all the time
and doesn’t give you greater earnings.
But very,
very seldom would we have any opinion on what any given commodity would do.
See’s
Candies, Coca-Cola, and Consumer Brands
What pond
you jumped in was probably more important than how well you could swim.
And, Warren
and I, instead of behaving the way people do in a lot of places, listened to
the criticism, and we changed our minds. That is a very good lesson: the
ability to take criticism constructively.
It makes
more sense to buy a wonderful business at a fair price than a fair business at
a wonderful price. …..Overall, we kept moving in the direction of better and
better companies, and now we've got a collection of wonderful businesses.
That’s true,
too. But it shows how continuous learning is absolutely required to have any
significant achievement at all in the world.
The ideal
asset is a royalty on somebody else's sales during inflation, where all you do
is get a royalty check every month, and it's based on sales volume….That kind
of business is real inflation protection, assuming the product maintains its
viability.
And if there's
any secret to BRK, it’s the fact that we're pretty good at ignorance removal.
We sort of know
a great investment idea when we see it. It would tend to be a business where,
for one reason or another, we can look out five, ten or twenty years and decide
that the competitive advantage that it has at present will last over that
period. It will have a trusted manager who will not only fit into the BRK culture
but who is eager to join the BRK culture. And then it will be a matter of
price. When we buy a business, we're essentially laying out money now based
on what we think it will deliver over time. The higher the certainty with which
we make that prediction, the better we feel about it.
The first
rule of fishing is to fish where the fish are.
If you just stay
out of a bunch of terrible businesses, you're off to a very great start. We've tried
them all.
There are some
industries that are never going to have barriers to entry. In those industries,
you'd better run very fast because there are a lot of other people who are
going to be looking at what you're doing and trying to figure out your
weaknesses or what they can do a little bit better.
I think the
bottling business is a perfectly decent business. it isn’t a wonderful business
because it's very competitive.
We liked
buying businesses where we feel that there's some untapped pricing power.
It's not
a great business when you have to have a prayer session before you raise your price
a penny; you are in a tough business then. And I would say you can almost measure
the strength of a business over time by the agony they go through in determining
whether a price increase can be sustained…You can learn a lot about the
durability of the economics of a business by observing the price behaviour.
The business
does not know how much you paid for it; it's going to earn based on its
fundamentals.
GEICO and
US Auto Insurance
The low-cost
producer in a huge industry is going to do very well over time.
Progressive has
a wonderful direct operation competing with GEICO, and we are the two slugging
it out over the years. It’s a better system, and better systems win over time.
OTHER
TOPICS
I would worry,
frankly, if I sold a bunch of things right at the top, because that would indicate
that, in effect, I was practising the bigger fool approach to investing, and I don’t
think that can be practised successfully over time. I think the most successful
investors, if they sell at all, will be selling things that end up going a lot
higher, because it means that they’ve been buying into good businesses as they’ve
gone along.
We kind of
mentally rub our own noses in our mistakes. That is a very good mental habit.
The ability
to borrow enormous amounts of money, combined with a chance to get either very
rich or very poor quickly, has historically been a recipe for trouble at some point.
(regarding derivatives),
We would obviously care very much about the counterparty.
A lot of
things correlate in the securities world that people don’t expect to correlate.
US Airways
has a cost structure that is non-viable in today's airline business…There isn’t
any question that the cost structure is out of line. I think the cost structure
could be brought into line, but whether it will be is another question. Looking
backwards, the answer is to avoid businesses that need to solve problems like
that.
(on
options)..On balance, I don’t think it’s as useful a way to spend my time as
just looking for securities to buy outright.
There are just
basic business problems you see with certain industries that you don’t see with
others.
(Movie Business)
But this is a different world: the number of eyeballs and the time spent watching
are not going to increase dramatically, and you’ve got a bunch of companies that
don’t want to quit. Who knows what pricing will do in the future is kidding
themselves.
People feel
better on the second floor of an elevator that has just come from the first floor
than they do when they're on the 99th floor coming down from 100. It's
particularly the case where they’ve been in a business where the profits were
automatic, because they start questioning whether they really have the ability
to make a lot of money, absent this favoured position. And that’s not something
they’ve had to dwell on before. So, it can make them uncomfortable. (addressing
the newspaper business)
We like
banking if we've got somebody in charge who is going to run them right.
I think each
company, each individual, has to draw its own ethical and moral lines, and personally,
I like the messy complexity of having to do that. It makes life interesting.
It's going
to arise much more often than people think. Markets are made by people who get
scared and get greedy.
If you hand
me a revolver with six chambers and one bullet and you say, “Pull it once for
$1m, and I say no, and then you say, What is your price? The answer is that there
is no price.
What's two
percentage points more in any given year when you run the risk of real failure?
You never
get into a position, obviously, where the other fellow can call your tune. You have
to be able to play out your hand under all circumstances. But if you can play
out your hand, and you’ve got the right facts, and you reason by yourself, and
you let the market serve you and not instruct you, you can't miss.
(pharma) As
a group, I think they are good businesses. I do think it's very hard to pick a
winner. So, if I did buy them, I would buy a group of leading companies.
The idea of
asking investment bankers to evaluate the business you're going to buy strikes
us as idiocy. If you don’t know enough about a business to decide whether to
buy it yourself, you'd better forget it.
Why anybody
sells Wells Fargo at $9 when they owned it at $25 and the business is better
off, is one of the strange things about the way markets behave. But people do
it. They get very affected by looking at prices….they let the price tell them how
they should feel.
It’s the nature
of securities markets to occasionally promote various things to the sky, so
that securities will frequently sell for 5-10X what they're worth, and they
will very, very seldom sell for 10% or 20% of what they're worth. Therefore,
you see these much greater discrepancies between price and value on the overvaluation
side.
Over the
years, I've probably had a hundred ideas of things that I thought to short, and
I would say that almost every one of them turned out to be correct. And I would
bet that if I’d tried to do it, I probably would have lost money.
So, I think it's
way less likely that if you scan a hundred IPO’s, you're going to come up with something
cheaper than scanning a hundred companies already trading in the auction market;
it is more of a negotiated sale. And negotiated transactions are very hard to get
bargains from…. you're way more likely to get incredible bargains in an auction
market.
Generally speaking.
I think very often when you're looking at a distressed situation and buy the
bonds, you should have bought the stock. You're looking at a promising area.
If you have a
choice on Wall Street between being a great analyst or being a great
salesperson, salesperson is the way to make it. If you can raise $10B in a
fund, and you get a 1.5% fee, and you lock up people for 10 years, you and your
children and your grandchildren will never have to do a thing, even if you are
the dumbest investor in the world.
Charlie and
I have made some big mistakes because, in effect, we have been unwilling to
look afresh at something. That happens. But I think the annual report is a good
feedback mechanism. Reporting on yourself and giving the report honestly, whether
you do it through an annual report or some other mechanism, is very useful.
I think it also
helps to be willing to reverse course, even when it's quite painful.
A FEW
POINTS TO MAKE
There's something
therapeutic for me from reading Buffett, maybe like some people feel when they read
the Bible, it clears things up, makes you feel better. I first came across
Buffett in the late 1980s, and he was the first to explain to me, through his
writings, that the stock market was not a random chocolate wheel. That was very useful learning.
As many know,
BRK has recorded all AGM Q&A sessions since 1994. I've listened to them all
and considered doing a summary. The task is truly monumental; we are fortunate
that someone undertook the task and produced a useful finished product.
When I listened
to the commentary, years flew by. Some of the concerns from the questioners now
seem laughable, remember Y2K, but it shows that there are always concerns for
people to fret over. My conclusion was that many of these investors did the
right thing and left Buffett to manage their money. Secondly, Buffett's focus
is quite narrow, and he repeatedly says this, but it doesn’t stop investors from
questioning a broad range of stuff. Fair enough. If you want an opinion, Buffett's
is better than most, but it's still an opinion that is outside his wheelhouse.
The author
minimises some of the issues that were a big deal at the time, such as the stock
split, but are not significant over the fullness of time, IMO. That’s a good
thing.
In my
opinion, there is a notable change in tone from the earlier years compared to
the later years. Earlier commentary was more pointed and critical. The change
was in line with changes within BRK around the turn of the century. After the acquisition
of General Re, Buffett noticeably changed strategy, IMO. BRK became much more
an owner of businesses than an investor in listed securities. We see capital continually
being deployed into fully owned businesses, many in basic industries, large investments
in the rail and utilities businesses, as well as growing the insurance business.
These all strike me as steady growers bought at good prices rather than trying
to position for higher growth. Stock picking became a lower-order issue.
Buffett states that size limited his ability to put more into listed securities,
and we can take him at face value on that. There is no doubt that the character
of the company changed, from an asset allocation viewpoint, IMO.
Having worked
in several dysfunctional equity teams, I consider the partnership between
Buffett and Munger truly extraordinary and speaks volumes to the character and understanding
of the two gents. Investing is hard and stressful, and for them to continue such
a long-term and successful union of like-minded and able investors is mind-boggling
to me. It shows that a small team with a strong process and philosophy can
easily beat a larger team. That makes sense to me.
Over a long
period, Buffett has been incredibly consistent. The same lessons and focus are repeated
over and over. Buffett has discovered his winning method and is loath to
abandon it, whatever the market throws up at him. The support of Munger through
these periods is critical. I was not surprised at all when Buffett decided to retire
not long after Charlie passed. Munger was irreplaceable to Buffett.
Buffett takes
bets against the market, as we all implicitly do. What stands out is that he
plays where he thinks he has an informational advantage and where he has a level
of certainty in the future, thus gaining conviction. The market is short-term
focused, and Buffett can wait it out.
Although
Buffett states that he has moved more towards quality over time, and that is
true, he was starting at a very low level. Even in the later years, we see a large
focus on value, so Buffett is attempting to get both a rating and an earnings improvement.
Buffett is extraordinarily
transparent and consistent. He states his philosophy, and it can be seen in
action, wins and losses. In that way, it is very hard to say luck has played
any real role in his returns. The positions always appear considered and logical,
even when they don't work out.
Buffett's
style lends itself to concentration. That is because he wants to know
everything there is to know about his investments, and he wants them to be
quality and at a good price. By definition, these are rare events, and when
they appear, he can't afford to miss them and has to bet big. The biggest
differentiator, IMO, is the level of certainty he requires before he invests;
this alone is a large constraint. By certainty, I mean confidence around the cash
flows of the business.
Predictability
plays a huge part in Buffett's process compared to other investors. Other investors
I see put numbers into spreadsheets that have little basis in reality; they are
just plucked from pure guesswork.
Over the decades,
I have seen people who have been regarded as genius investors, in their time, come
and go; some are now almost completely forgotten. It is very difficult to adapt to the changes
in the investment environment over long periods of time. I would say much more difficult
if you had been successful in those earlier periods. What is perhaps surprising
in this story is not that Buffett has struggled from time to time but that he
is still relevant at all. Making money in the 1950s was very different to this
century; the fact that Buffett is still making good returns is extraordinary.
When thinking
about BRK, you can't forget the insurance business. The float gives them investment
leverage without debt. Of course, they have built that business through skill
and capital deployment. However, it has had the effect of juicing up returns. That
helps.
I suppose
the criticism is that he has not taken enough risks or tried hard enough to
expand his circle of competence in this century. Also, criticism could be that
he did not deploy cash in pullbacks like C19, and deployed into debt-like instruments
in the GFC. Of course, in hindsight, we have had an extremely forgiving market,
especially since the GFC. Buffett has seen hard times and steers a path to
survive cataclysms, for that is his style. BRK is built for steady but
predictable and low-risk growth; maybe BRK is lower risk than the market.
What can retail
investors take away? To me, it's quite clear: know your strengths, play to them.
Understand the inherent risk you are taking from several viewpoints. Stay focused,
do the work and have conviction in your process. Stay patient and enjoy the
ride, the challenges, wins and losses, the game goes on as long as you do.
UNSCRIPTED BUFFETT & MUNGER AGM COMMENTARIES
(Italics where
I think it is particularly interesting)
VALUE
INVESTING
And if
you know the difference between the businesses that you can value and the ones
you can't, you're going to make money.
We basically
look for companies where we think we could understand what the future will look
like in 5, 10 or 15 years. That doesn’t mean we calculate it to four decimal
places—but we need to have a feel for it, and we know our limitations.
If you are
looking for the ability to correctly value all investments at all times, we can't
help you.
Over time, I've
learned more about various businesses, but you would be amazed at how many
businesses I don’t feel that I understand well.
You don’t
have to be an expert on 90% of businesses, or 80%, 70% or even 50%. But you do
have to know something about the ones that you actually put your money into—and
if that’s a very small part of the universe, that is still not a killer.
We probably
leaned towards things where we felt we were certain to get a decent result, as
opposed to where we were hopeful of getting a brilliant result.
Knowing what
you don’t know is important; knowing the future is impossible in many cases,
and difficult in others. We're looking for the ones that are relatively easy.
Then you have to find it at a price that is interesting to you.
They are
risking something important for something that isn’t important.
What gives
you opportunities is other people doing dumb things.
The world
is overwhelmingly short-term focused.
The other
thing that is helpful in reverse is to look at what other smart people are
buying.
The ideal
business is one that earns very high rates of return on capital and can keep
using lots of capital at those high returns.
Most great
businesses generate a lot of money, but they do not generate lots of
opportunities to earn high returns on incremental capital.
You have got
to learn what you do know and what you don’t know. Within the area of what you
know, you have to purchase it very vigorously and act when you find it. You can't
look around for people to agree with you. You can't look around for people to
even know what you are talking about. You have to think for yourself. And if
you do, you will find things.
Listening to
lots of people telling you things is just a waste of time. You're better off
sitting and thinking.
There's a
lot to be said for developing a temperament that can own securities without
fretting. The fretful disposition is an enemy of long-term performance.
Investing
is not a business that requires extraordinary intellect. It does require
extraordinary discipline.
We have seen
a few periods of great opportunities that scream at us, and we've seen a few
periods of overvaluation that scream at us. And then 90% of the time were
somewhere in between.
I think I
developed more courage after I learned I could handle hardship.
If we lose
confidence in management or in the durability of the competitive advantage, or
if we recognise that we made a mistake, we sell.
The real
money is going to be made in the growing businesses, and that’s where the focus
should be.
In other
words, if we don’t think we know what's going to happen in the future, that
doesn’t mean it's necessarily risky; it just means we don’t know. It means it's
risky for us. It might not be risky for someone else who understands the
business. In that case, we just give up. We don’t try to predict those things.
But we think
it is also nonsense to get into situations, or try and evaluate situations, where
we don’t have any convictions as to what the future is going to look like.
The business
was fundamentally very non-volatile in nature—TV stations and a strong,
dominant newspaper, that's a non-volatile business –but it was a volatile
stock. That is a great combination from our standpoint.
I would say
that the best purchases are usually made when you have to sell something to
raise the money to get them, because it just raises the bar a little bit that
you jump over in the mental process.
Virtually
everything we have done has been reading public reports, and then maybe asking questions
to ascertain trade positions or product strengths or something of that sort.
If I were
teaching a course on investments, there would be one valuation study after
another, with the students trying to identify the key variables in that
particular business, and evaluating how predictable they were, because that is
the first step. If something is not predictable, forget it. You don’t have to
be right about every company. You have to make a few good decisions in your
lifetime. The important thing is to know when you find one where you really do
know which variables are important, and you think you have got a fix on them.
A really
wonderful business is very well protected against the vicissitudes of the
economy over time and competition. We're talking about businesses that are
resistant to effective competition.
Good ideas
are too scarce to be parsimonious with once you find them.
If you own a
lousy business, you have to sell it at some point. If you own a group of businesses,
you'd better hope some of them get taken over or something happens. You need
turnover. If you own a wonderful business, you don’t want turnover, basically.
To some
degree, it probably takes more business experience and insights to apply Fisher's
than Graham’s.
I like a
lot of historical background on things, just to get into my head how the
business has evolved over time, and what's been permanent and what hasn’t been
permanent, and all of that.
The growth
aspects overall of a market are not a big factor with us; it's really a
question of figuring out who's going to win what game and who is going to lose
what game.
Once we find
a group of equities in that range (over 10% pa compound), we just buy the most
attractive. That usually means the ones we feel surest about as a practical
matter. There are some businesses that possess economic characteristics that make
their future prospects far more predictable than others…. We have, over time,
become very partial to the businesses where we think the predictability is high.
I can't be
an intelligent owner of a business unless I know what all the other businesses
in that industry are doing. So, I try to get that information out of a report.
….I want to be able to intelligently evaluate how our managers are doing, and I
can't do that unless I know the industry backdrop against which they're
working.
The way
you learn about business is by absorbing information about it, thinking,
deciding what counts and what doesn’t count, and relating one thing to another.
That’s the job. …that’s where it begins and ends.
We've had
our share of flu epidemics (severe market drawdowns), but you don’t want to
spend your life waiting around for them (to buy).
We tend to
go into businesses that are inherently low risk, and are capitalised in a way
such that the low risk of the business is transformed into a low risk for the
enterprise. The risk beyond that is when you pay too much for them; that is
usually a risk of time, not loss of principal, unless you get into a really
extravagant situation. Then the risk becomes the risk of you, yourself, whether
you can retain your belief in the real fundamentals of the business and not get
too concerned about the stock market.
What costs
us money is when we do not properly assess the fundamental economic
characteristics of the business.
If you
understood the future of the business perfectly, you would need very little in
the way of a margin of safety.
The biggest
thing to do is to understand the business and to get into the kind of business where,
by their nature, surprises are few.
I think that
most people get very few, what I call, no-brainer opportunities, where it is so
damn obvious that the investment is going to work. And since there are very few
and they may be separated by periods of years, I think people have to have the
courage and the intelligence to step up in a major way when those opportunities
come by.
If a
business gets to the point where we think the industry in which it operates, or
its competitive position or anything, is so chancy that we can't come up with a
figure, we don’t try to compensate for that by having some extra margin of
safety.
What we
really want to do is buy great businesses, which means it's going to earn a
high rate of return on capital employed for a long period of time, and where we
think the management will treat us right.
The big
thing you want, at a minimum, is to protect yourself against that insanity in
market prices and volatility wiping you out. (margin loans)
Where you
really want to be is in businesses that are going to be good and better
businesses ten years from now. And we want to buy them at reasonable prices.
Time is
the enemy of the poor business, and it is the friend of the great business.
If you want
a system to determine what is a good business and what is a bad business, just
see which one is throwing the management easy decisions time after time after
time.
But as you're
acquiring knowledge about industries in general and companies specifically,
there isn’t anything like first doing some reading about them, and then getting
out and talking to competitors, customers, suppliers, ex-employees, whatever it
may be. You will learn a lot. But that should be the last 10-20%.
We
believe in post-mortems at Berkshire---And I think you're a better manager or
investor if you look at every one of the decisions you’ve made, of importance,
and see which ones worked out and which ones didn’t, and what is your batting
average.
Some companies
are easy to write stories about, and others are much tougher to write stories
about. We try and look for the easy ones.
When we
speak of errors of omission, of which we've had plenty and some very big ones,
we don’t mean not buying some stock where a friend runs it or we know the name
and it went from one to a hundred. That doesn't mean anything. We only regard
errors as being things that are within our circle of competence… what's an error
is when it's something we understand, and we stand there and stare at it, and
we don’t do anything.
We would be
happy if we could buy common stocks where our expectations over a long period,
from a combination of dividends and capital gains, were going to be 10% pa, pre-tax,
and we would probably settle for a little less than that.
VALUATION
AND INTRINSIC VALUE
And if we
don’t have the faintest idea what the future stream (of cash flow) is going to
look like, we don’t have the faintest idea what it is worth….And we are more
concerned with the certainty of those numbers than we are with getting the one
that looks absolutely the cheapest, but based upon numbers we don’t have great
confidence in….To figure out that answer, you have to understand something
about the business…and if you attempt to assess intrinsic value, it all relates
to cash flows.
So people
who have a lot of (investment) opportunities tend to make better investments
than people who don’t.
But I don’t
look at the primary message of Graham as anything to do with formulas. There
are three important aspects to it. One is your attitude to the stock market. (Chapter
8 Intelligent Investor-Mr Market)…The second principle is the margin of safety,
which again, gives you an enormous edge and actually has applicability far
beyond the investment world. and the third is looking at stocks as businesses.
So, it would
not bother us in the least to buy into a business that was currently losing
money for some reason that we understood, and where we thought that the future
was going to be significantly different.
A business
with something glorious underneath, disguised by terrible numbers that cause
cutoff points in other people's minds, is ideal for us, if we can figure it
out.
We do not
want to go below a certain threshold of understanding.
If you’re
right about the companies, you can hold them at pretty high values.
Generally
speaking, I think if you’re sure enough about a business being wonderful, it's
more important to be certain about the business being a wonderful business than
it is to be certain that the price is 5% or 10% too high. I originally was incredibly price-conscious.
We used to have prayer meetings before we would raise our bid one eighth. But
that was a mistake. And in some cases, a huge mistake; we’ve missed things
because of that.
Ben Graham
used to say you can get in more trouble in investments with a good premise than
with a bad premise, because the bad premise will shout out to you immediately
as being fallacious, whereas a good premise will work for a while.
The best
thing to do is buy a stock that you don’t ever want to sell.
CAPITAL
ALLOCATION
We would
love to buy BRK at 120% of book, because we know it's worth a lot more than
that.
When you
have a wonderful business, we favour using funds that are generated out of that
business to make the business even more wonderful. And we favour repurchasing shares
if they are below intrinsic value.
MANAGEMENT
and BOARD of DIRECTORS
I think you
judge management by two yardsticks. One is how well they run the business. you
can learn a lot about that by reading about what they’ve accomplished and what
their competitors have accomplished, and seeing how they have allocated capital
over time.
The second
thing is you want to figure out how well they treat their owners.
We basically
have the attitude that you can't make a good deal with a bad person, so we just
forget about it. We don't try and protect ourselves with contracts or get into
all kinds of due diligence.
There's
nothing wrong with incentive systems, but you’ve got to be very careful what
you incentivise.
People say
they want their management to think like shareholders. It's very easy to think
like a shareholder when you are one; you'll think exactly like a shareholder. It's
not a huge psychological hurdle to get over if you actually write a check to
buy the stock.
What really
bothers me is when companies pay a lot for mediocrity, and that happens all too
often. We have no quarrel in our subsidiaries, for example, paying a lot of
money for outstanding performance.
The minute
the business starts requiring capital, we tend to put a capital factor into
this compensation system….(Managers) do not have control over market prices. We
would have something that would tie to what we thought was under the control of
the individual managing the business.
There are
more problems with having the wrong manager than with having the wrong
compensation system. It is enormously important who runs (our companies); any
compensation sins are generally of minor importance compared to the sin of
having somebody that’s mediocre running a huge company.
There are
two things: the quality of the business and the quality of the management. If
the business is good enough, it will carry a lousy manager.
In terms of the
overall level of compensation, the real sin is having a mediocre manager; that
is what costs owners very significant amounts of money over time. If a mediocre
manager is paid a relatively small sum, it's still a great mistake—and if
they're paid huge sums, it’s a travesty. It's almost impossible to pay the
outstanding manager a sum that’s disproportionate to their value when you get a
large enterprise.
The history
Charlie and I have had of persuading decent, intelligent people, who we thought
were doing unintelligent things, to change their course of action has been
poor.
If you
really think you’re in with people who have a good business, but they’re going
to keep doing dumb things with your money, you'll probably do better to get
out.
When people
want to do something, they want to do something. And they didn’t rise to become
the CEO of a company to have some shareholder tell them that they’re idea is
dumb. That is just not the type that gets to the top…..I would say it's better
to be in with a management you're in simpatico with, than to be in a great
business with a management that’s bent on doing things that don’t make much
sense to you.
The one
reason you can't give for any action at Berkshire, as far as I’m concerned, is
that everybody else is doing it. If that’s the best you can come up with, something’s
wrong. But that happens in security markets all the time. It's very difficult
to tell a huge organisation that you shouldn’t be doing something that
well-regarded competitors are doing, particularly when there's a lot of money in
it.
The real job
of the board of directors is to come up with the right CEO and to prevent him
or her from overreaching.
I think the
other thing that the board should do is really bring some independent judgment
in on major acquisitions.
I think
culture has to come from the top. It has to be consistent, it has to be part of
written communications, it has to be lived, and it has to be rewarded when
followed and punished when not. And then it takes a very, very long time to
really become solid.
BERKSHIRE
HATHAWAY
We've
done a lot of that, scrambling out of wrong decisions. I’d argue that’s a big
part of having a reasonable record in life. You can't avoid making wrong decisions.
But if you recognise them promptly and do something about them, you can frequently
turn the lemon into lemonade.
The ordinary
result when a big publicly held corporation buys another corporation is that,
maybe two-thirds of the time, it’s a terrible deal for the buying corporation,
and yet people have taken an enormous time doing it. We've bought all these
businesses, taking practically no time doing it, and on average, they’ve worked
out wonderfully. Why is that? The answer is we wait for the no-brainers. We are
not trying to do the difficult things, and we have the patience to wait.
It isn’t
that complicated if you wait for the fat pitch. And the fat pitch doesn’t have
to be somebody else doing something dumb or anything like that.
Warren has
improved since he passed the retirement age. In other words, in this field, at
least, you can improve when you’re old….you get an enormous advantage from practice
in this field…
The ideal
business is one that takes no capital but yet grows; there are a few businesses
like that, and we own some.
I don’t want
to be with people who are asking how I did versus the S&P 500 last month. I
sold securities for three years, and I just didn’t want to be in that position
where, essentially, they thought maybe I could do things that I couldn’t do.
Probably the
best investment was getting Charlie as a partner.
The biggest judgment
you have to make is how well capital will be deployed in the future.
Owning a
group of good businesses is not a terrible business plan.
I think our
business plan makes nothing but great sense: to own a group of great
businesses. Diversified, with outstanding managers, and conservatively
capitalised.
In economics,
whenever somebody tells you something, the first question to ask yourself is,
“And then what?”
One thing to
remember: in the end, the owners of businesses, in aggregate, cannot come out
any better than the businesses come out.
(So we give managers)
The consistent message is that not only should they behave in a way that conforms
with the laws, but they should behave in a way where, if a story were written
by an unfriendly but intelligent reporter and published the next morning in
their local paper, they would have no problem with their neighbours and family
reading it.
M&A—oftentimes
they're ignoring, in our view, what really counts, which is evaluating the people
they're getting in with and evaluating the economics of the business. that’s
99% of the deal.
It's
almost impossible to make a wonderful buy in a negotiated purchase. You will
never make the kind of buy in a negotiated purchase that you can in a weak
stock market.
The
record of BRK, to the extent it's been good, has not been because we've done
brilliant things, but because we've done fewer dumb things than most.
But I
predict that the day that BRK declares a dividend, the stock price will go
down----and it should go down, because it’s an admission, essentially, that a compounding
machine has lost its ability to continue on that course.
Every time I
look at a business, I look at the ease of entry. (by competitors)….And in terms
of people trying to break into what isn’t a huge market, I decided that there
was a pretty good-sized moat around it…. you've got very small markets that
aren’t really too attractive to anybody with any sense to enter, and fanaticism
in service.
INSURANCE
BUSINESS
When you are
selling insurance against very infrequent events, you can totally misprice them
but not know about it for a very long time.
The thing to
remember is that the earthquake does not know the premium you received.
You don’t
find out who has been swimming naked until the tide goes out.
Just like we
buy securities, to the extent that we have the cash available, if they make
sense, but we have no interest in being in the stock market just to be in it. We
want to own securities that make sense to us.
Then we
have a huge attitudinal advantage in that we have no need—none—to write more
business, the same amount of business, or even something close to the amount of
business that we wrote this year. There are no insurance volume goals at BRK at
all. That is not true at most insurance organisations.
It’s the
cost of the float and the amount of growth of the float.
The casualty
insurance business, by its nature, is not a terribly good business. You have to
be in the top 10% really, to do well in it.
ACCOUNTING
When the
accounting confuses you, I tend to forget about that company. It may well be intentional;
in any event, you don’t want to go near it. We have never had any great investment
results from companies whose accounting we regard as suspect. It’s a very bad
sign.
Accounting
can offer you a lot of insight into the character of the management.
When you
don’t have a product where revenues and expenses are being matched up on something
close to cash in the short term, you have the opportunity for people to play
games with numbers.
You should
not have a system that causes people to, for example, worry about quarterly
earnings. I have no idea what we are going to earn next quarter.
Businesses
do not meet expectations quarter after quarter and year after year. It just
isn’t in the nature of running businesses. And, in our view, people who predict
precisely what the future will be are either kidding investors, themselves, or
both.
In terms of
what the management is doing and what the underlying economics are, forget
about goodwill. In terms of evaluating the job we're doing in allocating
capital, you have to include goodwill, because we paid for it.
I don’t
think amortisation of goodwill makes sense. I think write-offs of goodwill make
sense when you find out you’ve made the wrong purchase and the business doesn’t
earn commensurate with the tangible assets employed plus the goodwill. But when
looking at businesses as to whether they are good, mediocre or poor businesses,
you should look at the return on net tangible assets.
CIRCLE OF
COMPETENCE
It's better
to be well within the circle than to be trying to tiptoe along the line. And
you will find plenty of things within the circle. It's not terrible to have a
small circle of competence…You stretch the boundaries by working at it,
including practice.
I think a
great strategy, for the great mass of humanity, is to specialise.
I'm no
genius, I'm smart in spots, and I stay around those spots.
We don’t think
we have a great ability to predict where change is going to lead. We think we
have some ability to find businesses where we don’t think change is going to be
very important.
On Wall st,
if someone tells you the business is going to change a lot, they see it as a
great opportunity. We don’t think it’s a great opportunity at all: it scares
the hell out of us because we don’t know how things are going to change.
So, we will
do our best to enlarge the circle of competence of the people at BRK so that we
don’t miss so many. But we will miss a lot in the future, like we have missed a
lot in the past. The main thing to do is to find things where our batting
average is going to be high. And if we miss the biggest ones, that really
doesn’t bother us, as long as the things we do work out ok.
It is a
tricky thing working out whether technological change will or will not destroy
some business.
We're
looking for the absence of change to protect ways that are already making a lot
of money and allow them to make even more in the future. So we look at change
as a threat.
But there’s
a whole group of companies, a very large group, that Charlie and I don’t know
how to value, and that doesn’t bother us. There are all kinds of financial instruments that we just
don’t feel we have the knowledge to evaluate. And it might be a little too much
to expect that somebody would understand every business in the world. When I
say understand, my idea of understanding a business is that you’ve got a pretty
good idea where it's going to be in ten years. I just can't get that
conviction with a lot of businesses, whereas I can get it with relatively few,
but I only need a few. You only need six or eight calls, something like
that.
It may also be
that, even though it's less predictable, there's a whole lot more money to be made,
so that if you're right, the payoff is much larger. But we are perfectly
willing to trade away a big payoff for a certain payoff…..different people
understand different businesses. The important thing is to know which ones you
do understand and when you're operating within your circle of competence.
But the
degree of disparity in results among larger tech companies in the future is likely
to be very, very dramatic. And if I had the skills to pick the winners there, I
would do a lot better than if I had the skills to pick the winners in the major
integrated oil field.
We are looking
for……durability of competitive advantage, and whether our opinion might be
better than other people's opinions in assessing the probability of that advantage.
The problem
is, if I think something requires a miracle, I tend not to bet on it.
This is
not like Olympic diving, where they have a degree of difficulty factor, where
you can do some very difficult dive, the payoff is greater than some very
simple dive. That’s not
true in investments. You get paid just as well for the simplest dive, as long
as you execute it right…We look for one-foot bars to step over rather than seven-foot
or eight-foot bars to try and set some record by jumping over. You get paid just
as well for the one-foot bars.
We try
and figure out why that castle is still standing, and what's going to keep it
standing or cause it not to be standing five, ten, twenty years from now? What are
the key factors? How permanent are they? How much do they depend on the genius of the lord in the
castle?
Charlie and I
try to distinguish between businesses where you have to be smart once and
businesses where you have to stay smart.
What really
tells you something is if you know how to figure out how wide the moat is and whether
it's likely to widen further or shrink on you over time.
We are
enormously risk-averse. We are not risk-averse in terms of losing $1 billion if
there is an earthquake in California today. That doesn’t bother us as long as
the maths is in our favour. But in terms of doing a group of transactions like
that, we are very risk-averse. In other words, we want to think that we've got
a mathematical edge in every transaction. And we will do enough transactions over
a lifetime so that, no matter what the result of any single one, the group expectancy
gets almost to certainty.
When we look
at businesses, we try to think of what can go wrong with them. We look for
businesses that are good businesses now, and we think about what can go wrong
with them. If we can think of a lot that can go wrong, we just forget it. We are
not in the business of assuming a lot of risk in businesses. That doesn’t mean
we don’t do it inadvertently and make mistakes, because we do. But we do not
do it intentionally, willingly, or voluntarily go into situations where we perceive
a really significant risk that the business is going to change in a major way.
So you don’t
necessarily want to equate the prospects for growth of an industry with the
prospects for growth in your net worth by participating in it.
MR MARKET
And your job
is to remember that (Mr Market) is there to serve you, not to advise you.
The important
thing is that you make your decision based on what you think the business is
worth.
You shouldn’t
buy stocks unless you expect, in my view, to hold them for a very extended
period, and you are prepared financially and psychologically to hold them the same
way you would hold a farm and never look at the quote—you don’t need to pay
attention to it.
And frankly,
some people are more subject to fear than others.
You should
do something you understand yourself. If you don't understand it yourself, you're
going to be affected by the next person you talk to. You should be in a position
to hold.
The market
is generally fairly efficient. It's fairly efficient in pricing between asset
classes, and it's fairly efficient in terms of evaluating specific businesses.
ECONOMICS
AND INVESTING
If we’re
right about a business, and we think it's attractive, it would be very foolish
for us not to take action because we thought something about what the market
was about to do or anything of that sort. Because we just don’t know. And to
give up something that you do know and is profitable for something that you don’t
know and won't know, it just doesn’t make any sense to us.
If you are
in the right business, you'll end up doing fine. We don’t think about when something
will happen; we think about what will happen. its not so difficult to figure
out what will happen. It's impossible, in our view, to figure out when it will
happen. So we focus on what will happen.
2008-I did not
predict what stocks were going to do in the short term, because I never know
what they're going to do. But I do know when you're starting to get a lot for
your money, and that’s when I believe in buying.
No, we don’t
try to pick bottoms. We don’t have an opinion about where the stock markets are
going to go tomorrow, next week, or next month.
It's very
hard for an unproductive investment to beat a productive investment over any
long period of time.
We are just
looking for decent businesses. We try to think about two things: things that
are important and things that are knowable. There are things that are knowable
but not important. We don’t want to clutter up our minds with those. So, we
say, “What is important and what is knowable?
We’re not
predicting the currents that will come, just how things will swim in the
currents, whatever they are.
If we are
right about the business, the macro factors are not going to make any
difference. And if we are wrong about the business, macro factors aren’t going
to bail us out.
We always
try and focus on what's knowable and what's important. Currency might be important,
but we don’t think it's knowable. Other things are unimportant, but knowable. What's
knowable and important about KO…the product is extraordinarily inexpensive relative
to the pleasure it brings to people.
All investments
are laying out some money now to get more money back in the future. There are
two ways of getting the money back: one is from what the asset itself will
produce. That’s investment. One is from what somebody else will pay you for it
later on, irrespective of what the asset produces, and I call that speculation.
Regarding inflation,
in the investment world, it's tougher. Charlie and I think the best answer is
to own fine businesses that will be able to price in inflationary terms and
will not require huge amounts of capital investment to handle the larger
dollars of sales.
The worst
kind of business is one that makes you put more money on the table all the time
and doesn’t give you greater earnings.
But very,
very seldom would we have any opinion on what any given commodity would do.
See’s
Candies, Coca-Cola, and Consumer Brands
What pond
you jumped in was probably more important than how well you could swim.
And, Warren
and I, instead of behaving the way people do in a lot of places, listened to
the criticism, and we changed our minds. That is a very good lesson: the
ability to take criticism constructively.
It makes
more sense to buy a wonderful business at a fair price than a fair business at
a wonderful price. …..Overall, we kept moving in the direction of better and
better companies, and now we've got a collection of wonderful businesses.
That’s true,
too. But it shows how continuous learning is absolutely required to have any
significant achievement at all in the world.
The ideal
asset is a royalty on somebody else's sales during inflation, where all you do
is get a royalty check every month, and it's based on sales volume….That kind
of business is real inflation protection, assuming the product maintains its
viability.
And if there's
any secret to BRK, it’s the fact that we're pretty good at ignorance removal.
We sort of know
a great investment idea when we see it. It would tend to be a business where,
for one reason or another, we can look out five, ten or twenty years and decide
that the competitive advantage that it has at present will last over that
period. It will have a trusted manager who will not only fit into the BRK culture
but who is eager to join the BRK culture. And then it will be a matter of
price. When we buy a business, we're essentially laying out money now based
on what we think it will deliver over time. The higher the certainty with which
we make that prediction, the better we feel about it.
The first
rule of fishing is to fish where the fish are.
If you just stay
out of a bunch of terrible businesses, you're off to a very great start. We've tried
them all.
There are some
industries that are never going to have barriers to entry. In those industries,
you'd better run very fast because there are a lot of other people who are
going to be looking at what you're doing and trying to figure out your
weaknesses or what they can do a little bit better.
I think the
bottling business is a perfectly decent business. it isn’t a wonderful business
because it's very competitive.
We liked
buying businesses where we feel that there's some untapped pricing power.
It's not
a great business when you have to have a prayer session before you raise your price
a penny; you are in a tough business then. And I would say you can almost measure
the strength of a business over time by the agony they go through in determining
whether a price increase can be sustained…You can learn a lot about the
durability of the economics of a business by observing the price behaviour.
The business
does not know how much you paid for it; it's going to earn based on its
fundamentals.
GEICO and
US Auto Insurance
The low-cost
producer in a huge industry is going to do very well over time.
Progressive has
a wonderful direct operation competing with GEICO, and we are the two slugging
it out over the years. It’s a better system, and better systems win over time.
OTHER
TOPICS
I would worry,
frankly, if I sold a bunch of things right at the top, because that would indicate
that, in effect, I was practising the bigger fool approach to investing, and I don’t
think that can be practised successfully over time. I think the most successful
investors, if they sell at all, will be selling things that end up going a lot
higher, because it means that they’ve been buying into good businesses as they’ve
gone along.
We kind of
mentally rub our own noses in our mistakes. That is a very good mental habit.
The ability
to borrow enormous amounts of money, combined with a chance to get either very
rich or very poor quickly, has historically been a recipe for trouble at some point.
(regarding derivatives),
We would obviously care very much about the counterparty.
A lot of
things correlate in the securities world that people don’t expect to correlate.
US Airways
has a cost structure that is non-viable in today's airline business…There isn’t
any question that the cost structure is out of line. I think the cost structure
could be brought into line, but whether it will be is another question. Looking
backwards, the answer is to avoid businesses that need to solve problems like
that.
(on
options)..On balance, I don’t think it’s as useful a way to spend my time as
just looking for securities to buy outright.
There are just
basic business problems you see with certain industries that you don’t see with
others.
(Movie Business)
But this is a different world: the number of eyeballs and the time spent watching
are not going to increase dramatically, and you’ve got a bunch of companies that
don’t want to quit. Who knows what pricing will do in the future is kidding
themselves.
People feel
better on the second floor of an elevator that has just come from the first floor
than they do when they're on the 99th floor coming down from 100. It's
particularly the case where they’ve been in a business where the profits were
automatic, because they start questioning whether they really have the ability
to make a lot of money, absent this favoured position. And that’s not something
they’ve had to dwell on before. So, it can make them uncomfortable. (addressing
the newspaper business)
We like
banking if we've got somebody in charge who is going to run them right.
I think each
company, each individual, has to draw its own ethical and moral lines, and personally,
I like the messy complexity of having to do that. It makes life interesting.
It's going
to arise much more often than people think. Markets are made by people who get
scared and get greedy.
If you hand
me a revolver with six chambers and one bullet and you say, “Pull it once for
$1m, and I say no, and then you say, What is your price? The answer is that there
is no price.
What's two
percentage points more in any given year when you run the risk of real failure?
You never
get into a position, obviously, where the other fellow can call your tune. You have
to be able to play out your hand under all circumstances. But if you can play
out your hand, and you’ve got the right facts, and you reason by yourself, and
you let the market serve you and not instruct you, you can't miss.
(pharma) As
a group, I think they are good businesses. I do think it's very hard to pick a
winner. So, if I did buy them, I would buy a group of leading companies.
The idea of
asking investment bankers to evaluate the business you're going to buy strikes
us as idiocy. If you don’t know enough about a business to decide whether to
buy it yourself, you'd better forget it.
Why anybody
sells Wells Fargo at $9 when they owned it at $25 and the business is better
off, is one of the strange things about the way markets behave. But people do
it. They get very affected by looking at prices….they let the price tell them how
they should feel.
It’s the nature
of securities markets to occasionally promote various things to the sky, so
that securities will frequently sell for 5-10X what they're worth, and they
will very, very seldom sell for 10% or 20% of what they're worth. Therefore,
you see these much greater discrepancies between price and value on the overvaluation
side.
Over the
years, I've probably had a hundred ideas of things that I thought to short, and
I would say that almost every one of them turned out to be correct. And I would
bet that if I’d tried to do it, I probably would have lost money.
So, I think it's
way less likely that if you scan a hundred IPO’s, you're going to come up with something
cheaper than scanning a hundred companies already trading in the auction market;
it is more of a negotiated sale. And negotiated transactions are very hard to get
bargains from…. you're way more likely to get incredible bargains in an auction
market.
Generally speaking.
I think very often when you're looking at a distressed situation and buy the
bonds, you should have bought the stock. You're looking at a promising area.
If you have a
choice on Wall Street between being a great analyst or being a great
salesperson, salesperson is the way to make it. If you can raise $10B in a
fund, and you get a 1.5% fee, and you lock up people for 10 years, you and your
children and your grandchildren will never have to do a thing, even if you are
the dumbest investor in the world.
Charlie and
I have made some big mistakes because, in effect, we have been unwilling to
look afresh at something. That happens. But I think the annual report is a good
feedback mechanism. Reporting on yourself and giving the report honestly, whether
you do it through an annual report or some other mechanism, is very useful.
I think it also
helps to be willing to reverse course, even when it's quite painful.
A FEW
POINTS TO MAKE
There's something
therapeutic for me from reading Buffett, maybe like some people feel when they read
the Bible, it clears things up, makes you feel better. I first came across
Buffett in the late 1980s, and he was the first to explain to me, through his
writings, that the stock market was not a random chocolate wheel. That was very useful learning.
As many know,
BRK has recorded all AGM Q&A sessions since 1994. I've listened to them all
and considered doing a summary. The task is truly monumental; we are fortunate
that someone undertook the task and produced a useful finished product.
When I listened
to the commentary, years flew by. Some of the concerns from the questioners now
seem laughable, remember Y2K, but it shows that there are always concerns for
people to fret over. My conclusion was that many of these investors did the
right thing and left Buffett to manage their money. Secondly, Buffett's focus
is quite narrow, and he repeatedly says this, but it doesn’t stop investors from
questioning a broad range of stuff. Fair enough. If you want an opinion, Buffett's
is better than most, but it's still an opinion that is outside his wheelhouse.
The author
minimises some of the issues that were a big deal at the time, such as the stock
split, but are not significant over the fullness of time, IMO. That’s a good
thing.
In my
opinion, there is a notable change in tone from the earlier years compared to
the later years. Earlier commentary was more pointed and critical. The change
was in line with changes within BRK around the turn of the century. After the acquisition
of General Re, Buffett noticeably changed strategy, IMO. BRK became much more
an owner of businesses than an investor in listed securities. We see capital continually
being deployed into fully owned businesses, many in basic industries, large investments
in the rail and utilities businesses, as well as growing the insurance business.
These all strike me as steady growers bought at good prices rather than trying
to position for higher growth. Stock picking became a lower-order issue.
Buffett states that size limited his ability to put more into listed securities,
and we can take him at face value on that. There is no doubt that the character
of the company changed, from an asset allocation viewpoint, IMO.
Having worked
in several dysfunctional equity teams, I consider the partnership between
Buffett and Munger truly extraordinary and speaks volumes to the character and understanding
of the two gents. Investing is hard and stressful, and for them to continue such
a long-term and successful union of like-minded and able investors is mind-boggling
to me. It shows that a small team with a strong process and philosophy can
easily beat a larger team. That makes sense to me.
Over a long
period, Buffett has been incredibly consistent. The same lessons and focus are repeated
over and over. Buffett has discovered his winning method and is loath to
abandon it, whatever the market throws up at him. The support of Munger through
these periods is critical. I was not surprised at all when Buffett decided to retire
not long after Charlie passed. Munger was irreplaceable to Buffett.
Buffett takes
bets against the market, as we all implicitly do. What stands out is that he
plays where he thinks he has an informational advantage and where he has a level
of certainty in the future, thus gaining conviction. The market is short-term
focused, and Buffett can wait it out.
Although
Buffett states that he has moved more towards quality over time, and that is
true, he was starting at a very low level. Even in the later years, we see a large
focus on value, so Buffett is attempting to get both a rating and an earnings improvement.
Buffett is extraordinarily
transparent and consistent. He states his philosophy, and it can be seen in
action, wins and losses. In that way, it is very hard to say luck has played
any real role in his returns. The positions always appear considered and logical,
even when they don't work out.
Buffett's
style lends itself to concentration. That is because he wants to know
everything there is to know about his investments, and he wants them to be
quality and at a good price. By definition, these are rare events, and when
they appear, he can't afford to miss them and has to bet big. The biggest
differentiator, IMO, is the level of certainty he requires before he invests;
this alone is a large constraint. By certainty, I mean confidence around the cash
flows of the business.
Predictability
plays a huge part in Buffett's process compared to other investors. Other investors
I see put numbers into spreadsheets that have little basis in reality; they are
just plucked from pure guesswork.
Over the decades,
I have seen people who have been regarded as genius investors, in their time, come
and go; some are now almost completely forgotten. It is very difficult to adapt to the changes
in the investment environment over long periods of time. I would say much more difficult
if you had been successful in those earlier periods. What is perhaps surprising
in this story is not that Buffett has struggled from time to time but that he
is still relevant at all. Making money in the 1950s was very different to this
century; the fact that Buffett is still making good returns is extraordinary.
When thinking
about BRK, you can't forget the insurance business. The float gives them investment
leverage without debt. Of course, they have built that business through skill
and capital deployment. However, it has had the effect of juicing up returns. That
helps.
I suppose
the criticism is that he has not taken enough risks or tried hard enough to
expand his circle of competence in this century. Also, criticism could be that
he did not deploy cash in pullbacks like C19, and deployed into debt-like instruments
in the GFC. Of course, in hindsight, we have had an extremely forgiving market,
especially since the GFC. Buffett has seen hard times and steers a path to
survive cataclysms, for that is his style. BRK is built for steady but
predictable and low-risk growth; maybe BRK is lower risk than the market.
What can retail
investors take away? To me, it's quite clear: know your strengths, play to them.
Understand the inherent risk you are taking from several viewpoints. Stay focused,
do the work and have conviction in your process. Stay patient and enjoy the
ride, the challenges, wins and losses, the game goes on as long as you do.
UNSCRIPTED BUFFETT & MUNGER AGM COMMENTARIES
(Italics where
I think it is particularly interesting)
VALUE
INVESTING
And if
you know the difference between the businesses that you can value and the ones
you can't, you're going to make money.
We basically
look for companies where we think we could understand what the future will look
like in 5, 10 or 15 years. That doesn’t mean we calculate it to four decimal
places—but we need to have a feel for it, and we know our limitations.
If you are
looking for the ability to correctly value all investments at all times, we can't
help you.
Over time, I've
learned more about various businesses, but you would be amazed at how many
businesses I don’t feel that I understand well.
You don’t
have to be an expert on 90% of businesses, or 80%, 70% or even 50%. But you do
have to know something about the ones that you actually put your money into—and
if that’s a very small part of the universe, that is still not a killer.
We probably
leaned towards things where we felt we were certain to get a decent result, as
opposed to where we were hopeful of getting a brilliant result.
Knowing what
you don’t know is important; knowing the future is impossible in many cases,
and difficult in others. We're looking for the ones that are relatively easy.
Then you have to find it at a price that is interesting to you.
They are
risking something important for something that isn’t important.
What gives
you opportunities is other people doing dumb things.
The world
is overwhelmingly short-term focused.
The other
thing that is helpful in reverse is to look at what other smart people are
buying.
The ideal
business is one that earns very high rates of return on capital and can keep
using lots of capital at those high returns.
Most great
businesses generate a lot of money, but they do not generate lots of
opportunities to earn high returns on incremental capital.
You have got
to learn what you do know and what you don’t know. Within the area of what you
know, you have to purchase it very vigorously and act when you find it. You can't
look around for people to agree with you. You can't look around for people to
even know what you are talking about. You have to think for yourself. And if
you do, you will find things.
Listening to
lots of people telling you things is just a waste of time. You're better off
sitting and thinking.
There's a
lot to be said for developing a temperament that can own securities without
fretting. The fretful disposition is an enemy of long-term performance.
Investing
is not a business that requires extraordinary intellect. It does require
extraordinary discipline.
We have seen
a few periods of great opportunities that scream at us, and we've seen a few
periods of overvaluation that scream at us. And then 90% of the time were
somewhere in between.
I think I
developed more courage after I learned I could handle hardship.
If we lose
confidence in management or in the durability of the competitive advantage, or
if we recognise that we made a mistake, we sell.
The real
money is going to be made in the growing businesses, and that’s where the focus
should be.
In other
words, if we don’t think we know what's going to happen in the future, that
doesn’t mean it's necessarily risky; it just means we don’t know. It means it's
risky for us. It might not be risky for someone else who understands the
business. In that case, we just give up. We don’t try to predict those things.
But we think
it is also nonsense to get into situations, or try and evaluate situations, where
we don’t have any convictions as to what the future is going to look like.
The business
was fundamentally very non-volatile in nature—TV stations and a strong,
dominant newspaper, that's a non-volatile business –but it was a volatile
stock. That is a great combination from our standpoint.
I would say
that the best purchases are usually made when you have to sell something to
raise the money to get them, because it just raises the bar a little bit that
you jump over in the mental process.
Virtually
everything we have done has been reading public reports, and then maybe asking questions
to ascertain trade positions or product strengths or something of that sort.
If I were
teaching a course on investments, there would be one valuation study after
another, with the students trying to identify the key variables in that
particular business, and evaluating how predictable they were, because that is
the first step. If something is not predictable, forget it. You don’t have to
be right about every company. You have to make a few good decisions in your
lifetime. The important thing is to know when you find one where you really do
know which variables are important, and you think you have got a fix on them.
A really
wonderful business is very well protected against the vicissitudes of the
economy over time and competition. We're talking about businesses that are
resistant to effective competition.
Good ideas
are too scarce to be parsimonious with once you find them.
If you own a
lousy business, you have to sell it at some point. If you own a group of businesses,
you'd better hope some of them get taken over or something happens. You need
turnover. If you own a wonderful business, you don’t want turnover, basically.
To some
degree, it probably takes more business experience and insights to apply Fisher's
than Graham’s.
I like a
lot of historical background on things, just to get into my head how the
business has evolved over time, and what's been permanent and what hasn’t been
permanent, and all of that.
The growth
aspects overall of a market are not a big factor with us; it's really a
question of figuring out who's going to win what game and who is going to lose
what game.
Once we find
a group of equities in that range (over 10% pa compound), we just buy the most
attractive. That usually means the ones we feel surest about as a practical
matter. There are some businesses that possess economic characteristics that make
their future prospects far more predictable than others…. We have, over time,
become very partial to the businesses where we think the predictability is high.
I can't be
an intelligent owner of a business unless I know what all the other businesses
in that industry are doing. So, I try to get that information out of a report.
….I want to be able to intelligently evaluate how our managers are doing, and I
can't do that unless I know the industry backdrop against which they're
working.
The way
you learn about business is by absorbing information about it, thinking,
deciding what counts and what doesn’t count, and relating one thing to another.
That’s the job. …that’s where it begins and ends.
We've had
our share of flu epidemics (severe market drawdowns), but you don’t want to
spend your life waiting around for them (to buy).
We tend to
go into businesses that are inherently low risk, and are capitalised in a way
such that the low risk of the business is transformed into a low risk for the
enterprise. The risk beyond that is when you pay too much for them; that is
usually a risk of time, not loss of principal, unless you get into a really
extravagant situation. Then the risk becomes the risk of you, yourself, whether
you can retain your belief in the real fundamentals of the business and not get
too concerned about the stock market.
What costs
us money is when we do not properly assess the fundamental economic
characteristics of the business.
If you
understood the future of the business perfectly, you would need very little in
the way of a margin of safety.
The biggest
thing to do is to understand the business and to get into the kind of business where,
by their nature, surprises are few.
I think that
most people get very few, what I call, no-brainer opportunities, where it is so
damn obvious that the investment is going to work. And since there are very few
and they may be separated by periods of years, I think people have to have the
courage and the intelligence to step up in a major way when those opportunities
come by.
If a
business gets to the point where we think the industry in which it operates, or
its competitive position or anything, is so chancy that we can't come up with a
figure, we don’t try to compensate for that by having some extra margin of
safety.
What we
really want to do is buy great businesses, which means it's going to earn a
high rate of return on capital employed for a long period of time, and where we
think the management will treat us right.
The big
thing you want, at a minimum, is to protect yourself against that insanity in
market prices and volatility wiping you out. (margin loans)
Where you
really want to be is in businesses that are going to be good and better
businesses ten years from now. And we want to buy them at reasonable prices.
Time is
the enemy of the poor business, and it is the friend of the great business.
If you want
a system to determine what is a good business and what is a bad business, just
see which one is throwing the management easy decisions time after time after
time.
But as you're
acquiring knowledge about industries in general and companies specifically,
there isn’t anything like first doing some reading about them, and then getting
out and talking to competitors, customers, suppliers, ex-employees, whatever it
may be. You will learn a lot. But that should be the last 10-20%.
We
believe in post-mortems at Berkshire---And I think you're a better manager or
investor if you look at every one of the decisions you’ve made, of importance,
and see which ones worked out and which ones didn’t, and what is your batting
average.
Some companies
are easy to write stories about, and others are much tougher to write stories
about. We try and look for the easy ones.
When we
speak of errors of omission, of which we've had plenty and some very big ones,
we don’t mean not buying some stock where a friend runs it or we know the name
and it went from one to a hundred. That doesn't mean anything. We only regard
errors as being things that are within our circle of competence… what's an error
is when it's something we understand, and we stand there and stare at it, and
we don’t do anything.
We would be
happy if we could buy common stocks where our expectations over a long period,
from a combination of dividends and capital gains, were going to be 10% pa, pre-tax,
and we would probably settle for a little less than that.
VALUATION
AND INTRINSIC VALUE
And if we
don’t have the faintest idea what the future stream (of cash flow) is going to
look like, we don’t have the faintest idea what it is worth….And we are more
concerned with the certainty of those numbers than we are with getting the one
that looks absolutely the cheapest, but based upon numbers we don’t have great
confidence in….To figure out that answer, you have to understand something
about the business…and if you attempt to assess intrinsic value, it all relates
to cash flows.
So people
who have a lot of (investment) opportunities tend to make better investments
than people who don’t.
But I don’t
look at the primary message of Graham as anything to do with formulas. There
are three important aspects to it. One is your attitude to the stock market. (Chapter
8 Intelligent Investor-Mr Market)…The second principle is the margin of safety,
which again, gives you an enormous edge and actually has applicability far
beyond the investment world. and the third is looking at stocks as businesses.
So, it would
not bother us in the least to buy into a business that was currently losing
money for some reason that we understood, and where we thought that the future
was going to be significantly different.
A business
with something glorious underneath, disguised by terrible numbers that cause
cutoff points in other people's minds, is ideal for us, if we can figure it
out.
We do not
want to go below a certain threshold of understanding.
If you’re
right about the companies, you can hold them at pretty high values.
Generally
speaking, I think if you’re sure enough about a business being wonderful, it's
more important to be certain about the business being a wonderful business than
it is to be certain that the price is 5% or 10% too high. I originally was incredibly price-conscious.
We used to have prayer meetings before we would raise our bid one eighth. But
that was a mistake. And in some cases, a huge mistake; we’ve missed things
because of that.
Ben Graham
used to say you can get in more trouble in investments with a good premise than
with a bad premise, because the bad premise will shout out to you immediately
as being fallacious, whereas a good premise will work for a while.
The best
thing to do is buy a stock that you don’t ever want to sell.
CAPITAL
ALLOCATION
We would
love to buy BRK at 120% of book, because we know it's worth a lot more than
that.
When you
have a wonderful business, we favour using funds that are generated out of that
business to make the business even more wonderful. And we favour repurchasing shares
if they are below intrinsic value.
MANAGEMENT
and BOARD of DIRECTORS
I think you
judge management by two yardsticks. One is how well they run the business. you
can learn a lot about that by reading about what they’ve accomplished and what
their competitors have accomplished, and seeing how they have allocated capital
over time.
The second
thing is you want to figure out how well they treat their owners.
We basically
have the attitude that you can't make a good deal with a bad person, so we just
forget about it. We don't try and protect ourselves with contracts or get into
all kinds of due diligence.
There's
nothing wrong with incentive systems, but you’ve got to be very careful what
you incentivise.
People say
they want their management to think like shareholders. It's very easy to think
like a shareholder when you are one; you'll think exactly like a shareholder. It's
not a huge psychological hurdle to get over if you actually write a check to
buy the stock.
What really
bothers me is when companies pay a lot for mediocrity, and that happens all too
often. We have no quarrel in our subsidiaries, for example, paying a lot of
money for outstanding performance.
The minute
the business starts requiring capital, we tend to put a capital factor into
this compensation system….(Managers) do not have control over market prices. We
would have something that would tie to what we thought was under the control of
the individual managing the business.
There are
more problems with having the wrong manager than with having the wrong
compensation system. It is enormously important who runs (our companies); any
compensation sins are generally of minor importance compared to the sin of
having somebody that’s mediocre running a huge company.
There are
two things: the quality of the business and the quality of the management. If
the business is good enough, it will carry a lousy manager.
In terms of the
overall level of compensation, the real sin is having a mediocre manager; that
is what costs owners very significant amounts of money over time. If a mediocre
manager is paid a relatively small sum, it's still a great mistake—and if
they're paid huge sums, it’s a travesty. It's almost impossible to pay the
outstanding manager a sum that’s disproportionate to their value when you get a
large enterprise.
The history
Charlie and I have had of persuading decent, intelligent people, who we thought
were doing unintelligent things, to change their course of action has been
poor.
If you
really think you’re in with people who have a good business, but they’re going
to keep doing dumb things with your money, you'll probably do better to get
out.
When people
want to do something, they want to do something. And they didn’t rise to become
the CEO of a company to have some shareholder tell them that they’re idea is
dumb. That is just not the type that gets to the top…..I would say it's better
to be in with a management you're in simpatico with, than to be in a great
business with a management that’s bent on doing things that don’t make much
sense to you.
The one
reason you can't give for any action at Berkshire, as far as I’m concerned, is
that everybody else is doing it. If that’s the best you can come up with, something’s
wrong. But that happens in security markets all the time. It's very difficult
to tell a huge organisation that you shouldn’t be doing something that
well-regarded competitors are doing, particularly when there's a lot of money in
it.
The real job
of the board of directors is to come up with the right CEO and to prevent him
or her from overreaching.
I think the
other thing that the board should do is really bring some independent judgment
in on major acquisitions.
I think
culture has to come from the top. It has to be consistent, it has to be part of
written communications, it has to be lived, and it has to be rewarded when
followed and punished when not. And then it takes a very, very long time to
really become solid.
BERKSHIRE
HATHAWAY
We've
done a lot of that, scrambling out of wrong decisions. I’d argue that’s a big
part of having a reasonable record in life. You can't avoid making wrong decisions.
But if you recognise them promptly and do something about them, you can frequently
turn the lemon into lemonade.
The ordinary
result when a big publicly held corporation buys another corporation is that,
maybe two-thirds of the time, it’s a terrible deal for the buying corporation,
and yet people have taken an enormous time doing it. We've bought all these
businesses, taking practically no time doing it, and on average, they’ve worked
out wonderfully. Why is that? The answer is we wait for the no-brainers. We are
not trying to do the difficult things, and we have the patience to wait.
It isn’t
that complicated if you wait for the fat pitch. And the fat pitch doesn’t have
to be somebody else doing something dumb or anything like that.
Warren has
improved since he passed the retirement age. In other words, in this field, at
least, you can improve when you’re old….you get an enormous advantage from practice
in this field…
The ideal
business is one that takes no capital but yet grows; there are a few businesses
like that, and we own some.
I don’t want
to be with people who are asking how I did versus the S&P 500 last month. I
sold securities for three years, and I just didn’t want to be in that position
where, essentially, they thought maybe I could do things that I couldn’t do.
Probably the
best investment was getting Charlie as a partner.
The biggest judgment
you have to make is how well capital will be deployed in the future.
Owning a
group of good businesses is not a terrible business plan.
I think our
business plan makes nothing but great sense: to own a group of great
businesses. Diversified, with outstanding managers, and conservatively
capitalised.
In economics,
whenever somebody tells you something, the first question to ask yourself is,
“And then what?”
One thing to
remember: in the end, the owners of businesses, in aggregate, cannot come out
any better than the businesses come out.
(So we give managers)
The consistent message is that not only should they behave in a way that conforms
with the laws, but they should behave in a way where, if a story were written
by an unfriendly but intelligent reporter and published the next morning in
their local paper, they would have no problem with their neighbours and family
reading it.
M&A—oftentimes
they're ignoring, in our view, what really counts, which is evaluating the people
they're getting in with and evaluating the economics of the business. that’s
99% of the deal.
It's
almost impossible to make a wonderful buy in a negotiated purchase. You will
never make the kind of buy in a negotiated purchase that you can in a weak
stock market.
The
record of BRK, to the extent it's been good, has not been because we've done
brilliant things, but because we've done fewer dumb things than most.
But I
predict that the day that BRK declares a dividend, the stock price will go
down----and it should go down, because it’s an admission, essentially, that a compounding
machine has lost its ability to continue on that course.
Every time I look at a business, I look at the ease of entry. (by competitors)….And in terms of people trying to break into what isn’t a huge market, I decided that there was a pretty good-sized moat around it…. you've got very small markets that aren’t really too attractive to anybody with any sense to enter, and fanaticism in service.
When you are
selling insurance against very infrequent events, you can totally misprice them
but not know about it for a very long time.
The thing to
remember is that the earthquake does not know the premium you received.
You don’t
find out who has been swimming naked until the tide goes out.
Just like we
buy securities, to the extent that we have the cash available, if they make
sense, but we have no interest in being in the stock market just to be in it. We
want to own securities that make sense to us.
Then we
have a huge attitudinal advantage in that we have no need—none—to write more
business, the same amount of business, or even something close to the amount of
business that we wrote this year. There are no insurance volume goals at BRK at
all. That is not true at most insurance organisations.
It’s the
cost of the float and the amount of growth of the float.
The casualty
insurance business, by its nature, is not a terribly good business. You have to
be in the top 10% really, to do well in it.
ACCOUNTING
When the
accounting confuses you, I tend to forget about that company. It may well be intentional;
in any event, you don’t want to go near it. We have never had any great investment
results from companies whose accounting we regard as suspect. It’s a very bad
sign.
Accounting
can offer you a lot of insight into the character of the management.
When you
don’t have a product where revenues and expenses are being matched up on something
close to cash in the short term, you have the opportunity for people to play
games with numbers.
You should
not have a system that causes people to, for example, worry about quarterly
earnings. I have no idea what we are going to earn next quarter.
Businesses
do not meet expectations quarter after quarter and year after year. It just
isn’t in the nature of running businesses. And, in our view, people who predict
precisely what the future will be are either kidding investors, themselves, or
both.
In terms of
what the management is doing and what the underlying economics are, forget
about goodwill. In terms of evaluating the job we're doing in allocating
capital, you have to include goodwill, because we paid for it.
I don’t
think amortisation of goodwill makes sense. I think write-offs of goodwill make
sense when you find out you’ve made the wrong purchase and the business doesn’t
earn commensurate with the tangible assets employed plus the goodwill. But when
looking at businesses as to whether they are good, mediocre or poor businesses,
you should look at the return on net tangible assets.
CIRCLE OF
COMPETENCE
It's better
to be well within the circle than to be trying to tiptoe along the line. And
you will find plenty of things within the circle. It's not terrible to have a
small circle of competence…You stretch the boundaries by working at it,
including practice.
I think a
great strategy, for the great mass of humanity, is to specialise.
I'm no
genius, I'm smart in spots, and I stay around those spots.
We don’t think
we have a great ability to predict where change is going to lead. We think we
have some ability to find businesses where we don’t think change is going to be
very important.
On Wall st,
if someone tells you the business is going to change a lot, they see it as a
great opportunity. We don’t think it’s a great opportunity at all: it scares
the hell out of us because we don’t know how things are going to change.
So, we will
do our best to enlarge the circle of competence of the people at BRK so that we
don’t miss so many. But we will miss a lot in the future, like we have missed a
lot in the past. The main thing to do is to find things where our batting
average is going to be high. And if we miss the biggest ones, that really
doesn’t bother us, as long as the things we do work out ok.
It is a
tricky thing working out whether technological change will or will not destroy
some business.
We're
looking for the absence of change to protect ways that are already making a lot
of money and allow them to make even more in the future. So we look at change
as a threat.
But there’s
a whole group of companies, a very large group, that Charlie and I don’t know
how to value, and that doesn’t bother us. There are all kinds of financial instruments that we just
don’t feel we have the knowledge to evaluate. And it might be a little too much
to expect that somebody would understand every business in the world. When I
say understand, my idea of understanding a business is that you’ve got a pretty
good idea where it's going to be in ten years. I just can't get that
conviction with a lot of businesses, whereas I can get it with relatively few,
but I only need a few. You only need six or eight calls, something like
that.
It may also be
that, even though it's less predictable, there's a whole lot more money to be made,
so that if you're right, the payoff is much larger. But we are perfectly
willing to trade away a big payoff for a certain payoff…..different people
understand different businesses. The important thing is to know which ones you
do understand and when you're operating within your circle of competence.
But the
degree of disparity in results among larger tech companies in the future is likely
to be very, very dramatic. And if I had the skills to pick the winners there, I
would do a lot better than if I had the skills to pick the winners in the major
integrated oil field.
We are looking
for……durability of competitive advantage, and whether our opinion might be
better than other people's opinions in assessing the probability of that advantage.
The problem
is, if I think something requires a miracle, I tend not to bet on it.
This is
not like Olympic diving, where they have a degree of difficulty factor, where
you can do some very difficult dive, the payoff is greater than some very
simple dive. That’s not
true in investments. You get paid just as well for the simplest dive, as long
as you execute it right…We look for one-foot bars to step over rather than seven-foot
or eight-foot bars to try and set some record by jumping over. You get paid just
as well for the one-foot bars.
We try
and figure out why that castle is still standing, and what's going to keep it
standing or cause it not to be standing five, ten, twenty years from now? What are
the key factors? How permanent are they? How much do they depend on the genius of the lord in the
castle?
Charlie and I
try to distinguish between businesses where you have to be smart once and
businesses where you have to stay smart.
What really
tells you something is if you know how to figure out how wide the moat is and whether
it's likely to widen further or shrink on you over time.
We are
enormously risk-averse. We are not risk-averse in terms of losing $1 billion if
there is an earthquake in California today. That doesn’t bother us as long as
the maths is in our favour. But in terms of doing a group of transactions like
that, we are very risk-averse. In other words, we want to think that we've got
a mathematical edge in every transaction. And we will do enough transactions over
a lifetime so that, no matter what the result of any single one, the group expectancy
gets almost to certainty.
When we look
at businesses, we try to think of what can go wrong with them. We look for
businesses that are good businesses now, and we think about what can go wrong
with them. If we can think of a lot that can go wrong, we just forget it. We are
not in the business of assuming a lot of risk in businesses. That doesn’t mean
we don’t do it inadvertently and make mistakes, because we do. But we do not
do it intentionally, willingly, or voluntarily go into situations where we perceive
a really significant risk that the business is going to change in a major way.
So you don’t
necessarily want to equate the prospects for growth of an industry with the
prospects for growth in your net worth by participating in it.
MR MARKET
And your job
is to remember that (Mr Market) is there to serve you, not to advise you.
The important
thing is that you make your decision based on what you think the business is
worth.
You shouldn’t
buy stocks unless you expect, in my view, to hold them for a very extended
period, and you are prepared financially and psychologically to hold them the same
way you would hold a farm and never look at the quote—you don’t need to pay
attention to it.
And frankly,
some people are more subject to fear than others.
You should
do something you understand yourself. If you don't understand it yourself, you're
going to be affected by the next person you talk to. You should be in a position
to hold.
The market
is generally fairly efficient. It's fairly efficient in pricing between asset
classes, and it's fairly efficient in terms of evaluating specific businesses.
ECONOMICS
AND INVESTING
If we’re
right about a business, and we think it's attractive, it would be very foolish
for us not to take action because we thought something about what the market
was about to do or anything of that sort. Because we just don’t know. And to
give up something that you do know and is profitable for something that you don’t
know and won't know, it just doesn’t make any sense to us.
If you are
in the right business, you'll end up doing fine. We don’t think about when something
will happen; we think about what will happen. its not so difficult to figure
out what will happen. It's impossible, in our view, to figure out when it will
happen. So we focus on what will happen.
2008-I did not
predict what stocks were going to do in the short term, because I never know
what they're going to do. But I do know when you're starting to get a lot for
your money, and that’s when I believe in buying.
No, we don’t
try to pick bottoms. We don’t have an opinion about where the stock markets are
going to go tomorrow, next week, or next month.
It's very
hard for an unproductive investment to beat a productive investment over any
long period of time.
We are just
looking for decent businesses. We try to think about two things: things that
are important and things that are knowable. There are things that are knowable
but not important. We don’t want to clutter up our minds with those. So, we
say, “What is important and what is knowable?
We’re not
predicting the currents that will come, just how things will swim in the
currents, whatever they are.
If we are
right about the business, the macro factors are not going to make any
difference. And if we are wrong about the business, macro factors aren’t going
to bail us out.
We always
try and focus on what's knowable and what's important. Currency might be important,
but we don’t think it's knowable. Other things are unimportant, but knowable. What's
knowable and important about KO…the product is extraordinarily inexpensive relative
to the pleasure it brings to people.
All investments
are laying out some money now to get more money back in the future. There are
two ways of getting the money back: one is from what the asset itself will
produce. That’s investment. One is from what somebody else will pay you for it
later on, irrespective of what the asset produces, and I call that speculation.
Regarding inflation,
in the investment world, it's tougher. Charlie and I think the best answer is
to own fine businesses that will be able to price in inflationary terms and
will not require huge amounts of capital investment to handle the larger
dollars of sales.
The worst
kind of business is one that makes you put more money on the table all the time
and doesn’t give you greater earnings.
But very,
very seldom would we have any opinion on what any given commodity would do.
See’s
Candies, Coca-Cola, and Consumer Brands
What pond
you jumped in was probably more important than how well you could swim.
And, Warren
and I, instead of behaving the way people do in a lot of places, listened to
the criticism, and we changed our minds. That is a very good lesson: the
ability to take criticism constructively.
It makes
more sense to buy a wonderful business at a fair price than a fair business at
a wonderful price. …..Overall, we kept moving in the direction of better and
better companies, and now we've got a collection of wonderful businesses.
That’s true,
too. But it shows how continuous learning is absolutely required to have any
significant achievement at all in the world.
The ideal
asset is a royalty on somebody else's sales during inflation, where all you do
is get a royalty check every month, and it's based on sales volume….That kind
of business is real inflation protection, assuming the product maintains its
viability.
And if there's
any secret to BRK, it’s the fact that we're pretty good at ignorance removal.
We sort of know
a great investment idea when we see it. It would tend to be a business where,
for one reason or another, we can look out five, ten or twenty years and decide
that the competitive advantage that it has at present will last over that
period. It will have a trusted manager who will not only fit into the BRK culture
but who is eager to join the BRK culture. And then it will be a matter of
price. When we buy a business, we're essentially laying out money now based
on what we think it will deliver over time. The higher the certainty with which
we make that prediction, the better we feel about it.
The first
rule of fishing is to fish where the fish are.
If you just stay
out of a bunch of terrible businesses, you're off to a very great start. We've tried
them all.
There are some
industries that are never going to have barriers to entry. In those industries,
you'd better run very fast because there are a lot of other people who are
going to be looking at what you're doing and trying to figure out your
weaknesses or what they can do a little bit better.
I think the
bottling business is a perfectly decent business. it isn’t a wonderful business
because it's very competitive.
We liked
buying businesses where we feel that there's some untapped pricing power.
It's not
a great business when you have to have a prayer session before you raise your price
a penny; you are in a tough business then. And I would say you can almost measure
the strength of a business over time by the agony they go through in determining
whether a price increase can be sustained…You can learn a lot about the
durability of the economics of a business by observing the price behaviour.
The business
does not know how much you paid for it; it's going to earn based on its
fundamentals.
GEICO and
US Auto Insurance
The low-cost
producer in a huge industry is going to do very well over time.
Progressive has
a wonderful direct operation competing with GEICO, and we are the two slugging
it out over the years. It’s a better system, and better systems win over time.
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I would worry,
frankly, if I sold a bunch of things right at the top, because that would indicate
that, in effect, I was practising the bigger fool approach to investing, and I don’t
think that can be practised successfully over time. I think the most successful
investors, if they sell at all, will be selling things that end up going a lot
higher, because it means that they’ve been buying into good businesses as they’ve
gone along.
We kind of
mentally rub our own noses in our mistakes. That is a very good mental habit.
The ability
to borrow enormous amounts of money, combined with a chance to get either very
rich or very poor quickly, has historically been a recipe for trouble at some point.
(regarding derivatives),
We would obviously care very much about the counterparty.
A lot of
things correlate in the securities world that people don’t expect to correlate.
US Airways
has a cost structure that is non-viable in today's airline business…There isn’t
any question that the cost structure is out of line. I think the cost structure
could be brought into line, but whether it will be is another question. Looking
backwards, the answer is to avoid businesses that need to solve problems like
that.
(on
options)..On balance, I don’t think it’s as useful a way to spend my time as
just looking for securities to buy outright.
There are just
basic business problems you see with certain industries that you don’t see with
others.
(Movie Business)
But this is a different world: the number of eyeballs and the time spent watching
are not going to increase dramatically, and you’ve got a bunch of companies that
don’t want to quit. Who knows what pricing will do in the future is kidding
themselves.
People feel
better on the second floor of an elevator that has just come from the first floor
than they do when they're on the 99th floor coming down from 100. It's
particularly the case where they’ve been in a business where the profits were
automatic, because they start questioning whether they really have the ability
to make a lot of money, absent this favoured position. And that’s not something
they’ve had to dwell on before. So, it can make them uncomfortable. (addressing
the newspaper business)
We like
banking if we've got somebody in charge who is going to run them right.
I think each
company, each individual, has to draw its own ethical and moral lines, and personally,
I like the messy complexity of having to do that. It makes life interesting.
It's going
to arise much more often than people think. Markets are made by people who get
scared and get greedy.
If you hand
me a revolver with six chambers and one bullet and you say, “Pull it once for
$1m, and I say no, and then you say, What is your price? The answer is that there
is no price.
What's two
percentage points more in any given year when you run the risk of real failure?
You never
get into a position, obviously, where the other fellow can call your tune. You have
to be able to play out your hand under all circumstances. But if you can play
out your hand, and you’ve got the right facts, and you reason by yourself, and
you let the market serve you and not instruct you, you can't miss.
(pharma) As
a group, I think they are good businesses. I do think it's very hard to pick a
winner. So, if I did buy them, I would buy a group of leading companies.
The idea of
asking investment bankers to evaluate the business you're going to buy strikes
us as idiocy. If you don’t know enough about a business to decide whether to
buy it yourself, you'd better forget it.
Why anybody
sells Wells Fargo at $9 when they owned it at $25 and the business is better
off, is one of the strange things about the way markets behave. But people do
it. They get very affected by looking at prices….they let the price tell them how
they should feel.
It’s the nature
of securities markets to occasionally promote various things to the sky, so
that securities will frequently sell for 5-10X what they're worth, and they
will very, very seldom sell for 10% or 20% of what they're worth. Therefore,
you see these much greater discrepancies between price and value on the overvaluation
side.
Over the
years, I've probably had a hundred ideas of things that I thought to short, and
I would say that almost every one of them turned out to be correct. And I would
bet that if I’d tried to do it, I probably would have lost money.
So, I think it's
way less likely that if you scan a hundred IPO’s, you're going to come up with something
cheaper than scanning a hundred companies already trading in the auction market;
it is more of a negotiated sale. And negotiated transactions are very hard to get
bargains from…. you're way more likely to get incredible bargains in an auction
market.
Generally speaking.
I think very often when you're looking at a distressed situation and buy the
bonds, you should have bought the stock. You're looking at a promising area.
If you have a
choice on Wall Street between being a great analyst or being a great
salesperson, salesperson is the way to make it. If you can raise $10B in a
fund, and you get a 1.5% fee, and you lock up people for 10 years, you and your
children and your grandchildren will never have to do a thing, even if you are
the dumbest investor in the world.
Charlie and
I have made some big mistakes because, in effect, we have been unwilling to
look afresh at something. That happens. But I think the annual report is a good
feedback mechanism. Reporting on yourself and giving the report honestly, whether
you do it through an annual report or some other mechanism, is very useful.
I think it also
helps to be willing to reverse course, even when it's quite painful.
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POINTS TO MAKE
There's something
therapeutic for me from reading Buffett, maybe like some people feel when they read
the Bible, it clears things up, makes you feel better. I first came across
Buffett in the late 1980s, and he was the first to explain to me, through his
writings, that the stock market was not a random chocolate wheel. That was very useful learning.
As many know,
BRK has recorded all AGM Q&A sessions since 1994. I've listened to them all
and considered doing a summary. The task is truly monumental; we are fortunate
that someone undertook the task and produced a useful finished product.
When I listened
to the commentary, years flew by. Some of the concerns from the questioners now
seem laughable, remember Y2K, but it shows that there are always concerns for
people to fret over. My conclusion was that many of these investors did the
right thing and left Buffett to manage their money. Secondly, Buffett's focus
is quite narrow, and he repeatedly says this, but it doesn’t stop investors from
questioning a broad range of stuff. Fair enough. If you want an opinion, Buffett's
is better than most, but it's still an opinion that is outside his wheelhouse.
The author
minimises some of the issues that were a big deal at the time, such as the stock
split, but are not significant over the fullness of time, IMO. That’s a good
thing.
In my
opinion, there is a notable change in tone from the earlier years compared to
the later years. Earlier commentary was more pointed and critical. The change
was in line with changes within BRK around the turn of the century. After the acquisition
of General Re, Buffett noticeably changed strategy, IMO. BRK became much more
an owner of businesses than an investor in listed securities. We see capital continually
being deployed into fully owned businesses, many in basic industries, large investments
in the rail and utilities businesses, as well as growing the insurance business.
These all strike me as steady growers bought at good prices rather than trying
to position for higher growth. Stock picking became a lower-order issue.
Buffett states that size limited his ability to put more into listed securities,
and we can take him at face value on that. There is no doubt that the character
of the company changed, from an asset allocation viewpoint, IMO.
Having worked
in several dysfunctional equity teams, I consider the partnership between
Buffett and Munger truly extraordinary and speaks volumes to the character and understanding
of the two gents. Investing is hard and stressful, and for them to continue such
a long-term and successful union of like-minded and able investors is mind-boggling
to me. It shows that a small team with a strong process and philosophy can
easily beat a larger team. That makes sense to me.
Over a long
period, Buffett has been incredibly consistent. The same lessons and focus are repeated
over and over. Buffett has discovered his winning method and is loath to
abandon it, whatever the market throws up at him. The support of Munger through
these periods is critical. I was not surprised at all when Buffett decided to retire
not long after Charlie passed. Munger was irreplaceable to Buffett.
Buffett takes
bets against the market, as we all implicitly do. What stands out is that he
plays where he thinks he has an informational advantage and where he has a level
of certainty in the future, thus gaining conviction. The market is short-term
focused, and Buffett can wait it out.
Although
Buffett states that he has moved more towards quality over time, and that is
true, he was starting at a very low level. Even in the later years, we see a large
focus on value, so Buffett is attempting to get both a rating and an earnings improvement.
Buffett is extraordinarily
transparent and consistent. He states his philosophy, and it can be seen in
action, wins and losses. In that way, it is very hard to say luck has played
any real role in his returns. The positions always appear considered and logical,
even when they don't work out.
Buffett's
style lends itself to concentration. That is because he wants to know
everything there is to know about his investments, and he wants them to be
quality and at a good price. By definition, these are rare events, and when
they appear, he can't afford to miss them and has to bet big. The biggest
differentiator, IMO, is the level of certainty he requires before he invests;
this alone is a large constraint. By certainty, I mean confidence around the cash
flows of the business.
Predictability
plays a huge part in Buffett's process compared to other investors. Other investors
I see put numbers into spreadsheets that have little basis in reality; they are
just plucked from pure guesswork.
Over the decades,
I have seen people who have been regarded as genius investors, in their time, come
and go; some are now almost completely forgotten. It is very difficult to adapt to the changes
in the investment environment over long periods of time. I would say much more difficult
if you had been successful in those earlier periods. What is perhaps surprising
in this story is not that Buffett has struggled from time to time but that he
is still relevant at all. Making money in the 1950s was very different to this
century; the fact that Buffett is still making good returns is extraordinary.
When thinking
about BRK, you can't forget the insurance business. The float gives them investment
leverage without debt. Of course, they have built that business through skill
and capital deployment. However, it has had the effect of juicing up returns. That
helps.
I suppose
the criticism is that he has not taken enough risks or tried hard enough to
expand his circle of competence in this century. Also, criticism could be that
he did not deploy cash in pullbacks like C19, and deployed into debt-like instruments
in the GFC. Of course, in hindsight, we have had an extremely forgiving market,
especially since the GFC. Buffett has seen hard times and steers a path to
survive cataclysms, for that is his style. BRK is built for steady but
predictable and low-risk growth; maybe BRK is lower risk than the market.
What can retail
investors take away? To me, it's quite clear: know your strengths, play to them.
Understand the inherent risk you are taking from several viewpoints. Stay focused,
do the work and have conviction in your process. Stay patient and enjoy the
ride, the challenges, wins and losses, the game goes on as long as you do.
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